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Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 13:17 GMT
Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
talking about. A few thoughts:

Michael Benveniste:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573037

Well, there's a lot going here, don't you think? Possible fetishes include
revenge, weaponry, media hype, global domination, and so on. I like the shot
a lot; good idea, well executed, and it fits the mandate nicely. It also
seems very fitting for these perverted times we're living in. Good job,
Mike.   A+

Bowser:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573093

Yes, I have one. Yes, that's mine. I hate the damned thing, but my employer
seems to like to keep me on a leash, so I use it. Like the caption says,
Blackberry lust has really gotten silly. Anyway, I took the shot one morning
during the commute, since I had decided to use the BB as the central object
in the shot, and was looking for a proper setting. So I decided to drag out
the camera, mount the fisheye, and see what it looked like. Nobody else on
the highway even noticed. They were busy yakking on their own phones.   B

Quercus:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573179

Damn, how could I have not considered an MP3 player, especially an iPod, the
little darling of the portable music set? I'll tell you how; I bought one,
but never see it. My teenage son seems to have monopolized it so I forget it
even exists. But iPods, and Zens and now Zunes have achieved fetish status,
fer sher. The shot leaves me a little cold, however. I like the composition,
but it seems underexposed, or lacking contrast. Kind of dingy and washed
out.   B-

Duncan Chesley:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573199

Another MP3 player, this time an iPod, what looks like one of the newer
black iPod video models. Again, certainly qualifies as a 21st century fetish
item. At first glance, I would have liked a little more detail on the iPod,
but upon further review (yes, it's football season here in the US) I like it
as is. The combination of iPod, screen, and book elements in this
arrangement works very well! Good job, Duncan.   A-

Jim Kramer:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573231

Well, I assume your fetish item is chat rooms, newsgroups, or some sort of
internet-based communication. No question, a fetish item. I would have
preferred a more detailed shot of a chat room; one with some type of lurid
conversation taking place. You know, the kind of conversation that takes
place between US Representatives and Pages, but no such luck here. Not too
bad, but it leaves me wanting more.   C+.

Al Denelsbeck:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573276

Ah, yes. A digital photo that comments on the banality of digital
photography. A comment truly worthy of Mad Magazine, no? Sort of reminds me
of one of my favorite quotes from Mad (by a "hippie" couple commenting on
the latest avant-garde film): "it was incredibly symbolic how the director
injected symbolism into scenes symbolically devoid of symbols." How many
fetishes? Let me count the ways: chat rooms, bottled water (I still don't
get why we pay more for a bottle of water than Coke; must be expensive to
take the Coke out of the water), phones, cameras, headsets, technology in
general, and extremely noisy digital photos. Crappy photo, but good Bowser
points for trying.   B

Mardon:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573597

I knew someone in this group would submit a pic of some photo gear! No
question, especially for this group, a fetish item. Not tied to this
century, but hey, this century is still young, so why not? Technically, not
a great shot, though and I would have preferred something utterly razor
sharp to depict this fine lens. However, it's not bad at all.  B-

Paul Campbell:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70594975

Another MP3 player shot, another iPod, the true benchmark of portable
players, no question (with all due respect to the other excellent players).
All the previous comments regarding iPods and MP3 players apply here, but
this shot, taken with such excellent gear is my favorite of the iPod shots,
no question. Yes, I know, totally senseless, but I have no intention of
trying to make sense in my life. Too much damned work. But the Pentax gear
here is wonderful stuff, and reminds me that it was Pentax (Asahi?) that
introduced the first multicoated lenses back in the sixties (I think).
Anyway, nice arrangement of elements, good placement of the "mug-me white"
headphones. Being the sharpness freak, I'd like a sharper pic, but this
isn't bad.  A-
Al Denelsbeck - 22 Nov 2006 14:22 GMT
> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
> usual, must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't
> know what I'm talking about. A few thoughts:

<snippage>

> Al Denelsbeck:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573276
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> extremely noisy digital photos. Crappy photo, but good Bowser points
> for trying.   B

       The noise was the part that was unintentional - I had a hard time
balancing the ambient lighting to the monitor to allow for the monitor to
be seen clearly. As it is, it's a blatant digital cheat, since the pic
has been lightened (thus the noise) and the monitor screen boosted in
contrast. Is Photoshop a fetish?

       Another amusing aspect is how hard I had to scrounge to come up
with these, since by nature I indulge in very few fetishes, or fads if
you prefer. The cellphone is actually a pay-as-you-go emergency phone my
girlfriend gave me that often gets left behind, the water bottle is also
hers (that she refills from the tap), the digital camcorder is one I'm
attempting to repair for a friend, and the chat is an IM archive from
several years ago when that was the only way I could reach a couple of
friends during their schooling. The headset I actually use, though -
keeps my hands free during 900 calls... ;-)

       And you missed one ;-)

       I hate just taking a photo to fit the mandate, without trying to
make something that stands on its own, but I really had little
inspiration for this one and haven't submitted much recently. Tried for a
"cultural still life," failed. A B is too generous.

       Thanks for commenting!

    - Al.

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Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 21:23 GMT
>> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
>> usual, must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
>    And you missed one ;-)

I can appreciate the need for a hands-free experience. Which fetish did I
miss?

>    I hate just taking a photo to fit the mandate, without trying to
> make something that stands on its own, but I really had little
> inspiration for this one and haven't submitted much recently. Tried for a
> "cultural still life," failed. A B is too generous.

OK, screw it. C+

>    Thanks for commenting!
>
> - Al.
Al Denelsbeck - 22 Nov 2006 22:48 GMT
>>> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
>>> usual, must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> I can appreciate the need for a hands-free experience. Which fetish
> did I miss?

       The aromatherapy candle on top of the monitor. I would have tried
for Feng Shui but my office is about as far as you can get from that.

       You said, "cameras," plural, so I'm assuming you got the webcam
alongside the candle. Or thought it was a webcam as intended, anyway -
it's actually the bottom-end of a fluorescent light bulb with the tip
darkened to look more like a lens. I don't have a webcam, either.

>>    I hate just taking a photo to fit the mandate, without trying to
>> make something that stands on its own, but I really had little
>> inspiration for this one and haven't submitted much recently. Tried
>> for a "cultural still life," failed. A B is too generous.
>
> OK, screw it. C+

       Yay! Wait...

    - Al.

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JimKramer - 22 Nov 2006 14:52 GMT
> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
> must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> place between US Representatives and Pages, but no such luck here. Not too
> bad, but it leaves me wanting more.   C+.

You are a harsh taskmaster :-(  Worst grade in the class :-(  Except
for all those slackers that look and don't participate.  Don't think I
don't know who you are. I will have my revenge, My glorious revenge...

Think pixels, off topics, soft LCD screens, anti-aliasing (do you have
any idea how hard it was to take the crooked picture? My hand just kept
trying to level the frame :-) )

BTW, I know the "+" on the "C" was a pity "+"

Jim
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 16:44 GMT
> > Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
> > must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Jim

FWIW I found your entry to be right on target.  It's an excellent
example of 21st Century Fetishes.  Humorous and well thought out.  Well
done Jim!
Helen
Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 21:26 GMT
>> > Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
>> > usual,
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> example of 21st Century Fetishes.  Humorous and well thought out.  Well
> done Jim!

That's it, gang up on me. Just because I'm slow doesn't mean I'm, uh, oh,
never mind...

> Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 22:17 GMT
> >> > Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
> >> > usual,
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>
> > Helen

Lol.......not at all.  Your opinion is very welcome.  It helps us all
be better photographers and see things we may have missed.  I commend
your honest.
Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 22:19 GMT
helensilverb...@hotmail.com wrote:

> > >> > Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
> > >> > usual,
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> your honest.
> Helen

sorry about the typo:  I meant to type Honesty.
Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 21:25 GMT
>> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
>> must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> for all those slackers that look and don't participate.  Don't think I
> don't know who you are. I will have my revenge, My glorious revenge...

(insert all the "get in line" cliches here)

> Think pixels, off topics, soft LCD screens, anti-aliasing (do you have
> any idea how hard it was to take the crooked picture? My hand just kept
> trying to level the frame :-) )

As usual, I missed the point. Still do.

> BTW, I know the "+" on the "C" was a pity "+"

OK, you can have Al's grade. B He rejected his grade as too generous, so I
revoked it and assigned him your C+. So there.

> Jim
JimKramer - 22 Nov 2006 21:37 GMT
> >> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
> >> must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> (insert all the "get in line" cliches here)

My glorious revenge will be taken on thos who did not submit anything
for the mandate, not you.

> > Think pixels, off topics, soft LCD screens, anti-aliasing (do you have
> > any idea how hard it was to take the crooked picture? My hand just kept
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> OK, you can have Al's grade. B He rejected his grade as too generous, so I
> revoked it and assigned him your C+. So there.

I don't want Al's grade, he has cooties!
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Nov 2006 22:24 GMT
> > >> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
> > >> must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> >
> I don't want Al's grade, he has cooties!

LOL.......but you LIKE bugs, Jim.
Kinon O'Cann - 23 Nov 2006 00:07 GMT
>> >> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as
>> >> usual,
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>>
> I don't want Al's grade, he has cooties!

Sorry, the SBSS* only allows for one grade change per ShootIn, and you got
yours. I know, it came from the black lagoon, but so be it. Stuff happens,
dontcha know.

*Stupid Bowser Scoring System
Michael Benveniste - 22 Nov 2006 15:46 GMT
> Michael Benveniste:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573037
>
> Well, there's a lot going here, don't you think? Possible fetishes
> include, revenge, weaponry, media hype, global domination, and so on.

Thanks for your kind words.  I was trying for an image of conflict
against a backdrop of 9/11 and internet-based news.  Originally,
I wanted to borrow a WWII practice bomb from a friend, but my wife
convinced me it was unnecessary.

I had the same problems as Al with light balance.  A hand held
flash helped, but still left the color cast on the walls.  The on-
screen image had a lot of contrast -- sheer luck of the draw.

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Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 21:27 GMT
>> Michael Benveniste:
>> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573037
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I wanted to borrow a WWII practice bomb from a friend, but my wife
> convinced me it was unnecessary.

Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a guy
can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night in
Danvers may have obviated the need for your bomb. I bet you felt it...   I'm
12 miles away and it woke me up.

> I had the same problems as Al with light balance.  A hand held
> flash helped, but still left the color cast on the walls.  The on-
> screen image had a lot of contrast -- sheer luck of the draw.
Michael Benveniste - 23 Nov 2006 01:28 GMT
>Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a guy
>can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night in
>Danvers may have obviated the need for your bomb. I bet you felt it...   I'm
>12 miles away and it woke me up.

My wife is the one who bought me the M735 projectile.  Her only
objection to the bomb was that it wouldn't help the photograph.

The blast woke me out of a sound sleep, but the house only shook a
little bit.  I think I was about 6 miles away.  For those wondering
what we're talking about, see:
    http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_326060222.html

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Paul Furman - 23 Nov 2006 14:06 GMT
>>Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a guy
>>can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night in
>>Danvers may have obviated the need for your bomb. I bet you felt it...   I'm
>>12 miles away and it woke me up.
>
> My wife is the one who bought me the M735 projectile.

Depleted uranium? <cringe>

> Her only objection to the bomb
> was that it wouldn't help the photograph.

Whole different story with the bomb than just the tv.
scenic_man - 23 Nov 2006 15:08 GMT
> Depleted uranium? <cringe>

Cringe?  Nah.  Great stuff.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Civilian_applications
Some people use it to add weight to very small (1:160 scale) model
locomotives
to add traction.  Does a great job.
Michael Benveniste - 23 Nov 2006 18:14 GMT
>> My wife is the one who bought me the M735 projectile.
>
>Depleted uranium? <cringe>

Fortunately not.  This one's from a practice round and is made
of steel.  While it weighs about 8 pounds, a DU round of that size
would be much heavier.

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Pudentame - 23 Nov 2006 18:32 GMT
>> Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a guy
>> can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> what we're talking about, see:
>      http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/local_story_326060222.html

Sounds like something similar to the Apex NC chemical plant fire on
October 6 ...

     http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/495141.html

Chemical plant had been there for years and residential neighborhoods
had grown up around it without anyone really knowing what it was ...

                                                       until it blew up.
William Graham - 23 Nov 2006 19:24 GMT
>>> Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a
>>> guy can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>                                                        until it blew up.

You're lucky it's not a powder plant.....I had a friend who used to live in
Hercules, California.....Most of the houses there were under ground.....
Pudentame - 23 Nov 2006 22:03 GMT
>>>> Dammit, they always ruin our fun. What is this world coming to when a
>>>> guy can't borrow a bomb from a friend? Besides, the activity last night
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> You're lucky it's not a powder plant.....I had a friend who used to live in
> Hercules, California.....Most of the houses there were under ground.....

Apparently the most famous Hercules Powder Plant explosion took place in
New Jersey in 1940. And it seems Hercules Powder had plants all over the
US.

I found references to plants in California, Kansas and Hattiesburg MS as
well as the one that blew up in NJ.

I even found something that wraps back to photography ... images from
the power plant at the Hercules California plant:

     http://www.lostamerica.com/images/hercules/powerplant.html

It's some really interesting work.
Duncan Chesley - 22 Nov 2006 17:50 GMT
>Duncan Chesley:
>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573199
>
>Another MP3 player, this time an iPod, what looks like one of the newer
>black iPod video models. Again, certainly qualifies as a 21st century fetish
>item.

Having scoffed at my son's for quite a while, I recently was given
one.  I was instantly fetishized.

>At first glance, I would have liked a little more detail on the iPod,
>but upon further review (yes, it's football season here in the US) I like it
>as is. The combination of iPod, screen, and book elements in this
>arrangement works very well! Good job, Duncan.   A-

Those pictures of space (like the Hubble ones) have been a fetish of
mine since my youth. They've improved a lot over the decades. The book
underneath shows a picture of the moon similar to crude ones I worked
on in the 70's in the early days of digital imaging.

I was looking to remind viewers of the intro to Star Wars where the
printing scrolls off into space. Certainly another fetish, but oh so
last century.

As usual, it was an amusing challenge to get my concept to some out
something like I imagined it.

Thanks for the complement and the gift grade!

Cheers,
DuncanC
Kinon O'Cann - 22 Nov 2006 21:28 GMT
>>Duncan Chesley:
>>http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573199
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> Thanks for the complement and the gift grade!

No gift, I liked the shot...

> Cheers,
> DuncanC
Peter Chant - 23 Nov 2006 01:32 GMT
> Those pictures of space (like the Hubble ones) have been a fetish of
> mine since my youth. They've improved a lot over the decades. The book
> underneath shows a picture of the moon similar to crude ones I worked
> on in the 70's in the early days of digital imaging.

I could not help thinking that you should have lined up the iPod with
Jupiter and its moons in a 2001 style.

Perhaps the phone is the new obelisk?

Pete

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Paul Furman - 22 Nov 2006 23:05 GMT
I submitted a late one... if it doesn't make it in, here it is:
<http://www.edgehill.net/1/?SC=go.php&DIR=Misc/misc-photos/2006-11-22-cell-phone>
Ah, I see my first one is up, that's ok, I like the one in the link
above better though.... hmm maybe, maybe not... it's hard shooting shiny
little objects.
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70623821

Thanks for the comments Kinon, I pretty much agree.

> Small, but good group of photos for this mandate. My comments, as usual,
> must be taken with huge grains of salt since I really don't know what I'm
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
> headphones. Being the sharpness freak, I'd like a sharper pic, but this
> isn't bad.  A-

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Mardon - 23 Nov 2006 00:30 GMT
"Kinon O'Cann" <somewhere@over.the.rainbow> wrote:

> Mardon:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70573597
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> preferred something utterly razor sharp to depict this fine
> lens. However, it's not bad at all.  B-

A great set of comments on all of the images.  Good job and thanks!  

You're waaaay to generous with your 'grade' on my submission.  I
agree with your comments about the poor technical quality and lack
of 21st century content.  Not only that, but it seems to me that a
true lens fetish ought to require a 500mm focal length or longer.  
;)  The history of this shot is that I had just returned from 3
weeks 'on the road'.  When I checked the 21st Century Fetish page,
Jim had already posted the first 5 images.   Decision time!  Should
I submit or not?  OK.  Grab the camera, run to the bathroom mirror
and click.  Hand-held (no time to mess with a tripod) so the camera
wasn't square to the plane of the mirror, 3200 ISO due to poor
lighting, etc., etc.  Five minutes later, off goes my emailed
submission.  "B-" you say?  "Heck yea!  I'll take it!"  :)

BTW, I had never before taken a close-up photo of a lens using that
same lens.  I was expecting to see the 20D sensor in the middle of
this image but I guess the reflection of me from the lens or sensor
IR filter overpowered the actual sensor image.  Besides that, my
reflection is sideways because the image should be rotated 90 deg
clockwise to match the orientation of the camera.  I told you I did
this in a hurry!  :)

Mardon
Paul - 23 Nov 2006 22:16 GMT
> Paul Campbell:
> http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/70594975
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> headphones. Being the sharpness freak, I'd like a sharper pic, but this
> isn't bad.  A-

Thank you for taking a look and for your comments.  I've been lurking SI
for a while now, and just never got the nerve or the time to submit, so
this is my first.  I got this new iPod right as the Fetish mandate was
posted, and it seemed so obvious that I was pretty sure my subject
wouldn't be unique.
I agree with the sharpness comment.  I'm still really having a difficult
time with DOF using the extension tubes.  Of the 37 exposures I shot,
this was the best combination of lighting and sharpness, such as it is.
 Coveting one of the Tak macro lenses...
I bought the Spotmatic (my first SLR) a couple of years ago,
purposefully going the old-skool route so that I would force myself to
learn.  I don't know about the learning, but between the camera and the
darkroom, I'm having a blast.

Cheers,

Paul
 
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