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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / November 2006Nikon lens compatabilties
Hi all Anyone know if the newer Nikon digital cameras D80 and D200 accept older Nikon fit manual lenses AIs etc. If they do fit are there any working limitations apart from autofocus abviously. I asume Matrix metering dosent work any thing else. Thanks Paul  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Hi all > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If they do fit are there any working limitations apart from autofocus > abviously. I asume Matrix metering dosent work any thing else. D80 requires the lens to be modified to matrix meter but will mount, I don't believe any metering mode will work. D200 allows you to enter the lens info in the menu. It gets complicated but that's the short story. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >Hi all > >Anyone know if the newer Nikon digital cameras D80 and D200 accept older >Nikon fit manual lenses AIs etc. http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/noprint/D80_noprint.pdf Page 117 http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/noprint/D200_en_noprint.pdf Page 174 SignatureCentral Maryland Photographer's Guild - http://www.cmpg.org Strange, Geometrical Hinges - http://sgh.rnovak.net >Anyone know if the newer Nikon digital cameras D80 and D200 accept older >Nikon fit manual lenses AIs etc. I use AI and AI-s lenses on my D200 regularly. Here's one source for a compatibility matrix: http://snipurl.com/12g4o SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >> Anyone know if the newer Nikon digital cameras D80 and D200 accept older >> Nikon fit manual lenses AIs etc. > > I use AI and AI-s lenses on my D200 regularly. Here's one source > for a compatibility matrix: http://snipurl.com/12g4o I've looked at that, and am having a little trouble figuring it out, or at least am unhappy with my interpretation. It says: Pre-AI == Non-AI Manual Focus Nikon lenses made from 1959 and prior to 1977. Don't have a CPU. All Non-AI lenses have a letter after the work Nikkor, to tell the number of elements in the optical formula. For example, in the Nikkor-P 105mm f/2.5, the P stands for Penta, i.e. five elements. Types: A (chrome filter ring), C (black filter ring) and K (rubber coating) From this I infer that a certain type of lens that I've seen a lot of on eBay, the "Nikon NIKKOR Reflex C 500mm F=8 Telephoto lens", is a Pre-AI. Then I look up in the main chart under D70/D70S, and for Pre-AI it says "NO!". Can one or more people confirm that this type of lens will not work with a D70s? I don't mind if it doesn't auto-focus -- not really needed for my application. It just beats lugging a foot-and-a-half of metal and glass by an aftermarket vendor. ~ Scenic Man ~ >From this I infer that a certain type of lens that I've seen a lot >of on eBay, The "Nikon NIKKOR Reflex C 500mm F=8 Telephoto lens", >is a Pre-AI. You're correct, but Nikon made a later version of this lens which was AI compatible. (Nikon Reflex lenses are fixed aperture, so they aren't really AI or AI-s). >Then I look up in the main chart under D70/D70S, and for Pre-AI it says >"NO!". [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >my application. It just beats lugging a foot-and-a-half of metal and >glass by an aftermarket vendor. Here's what I can confirm: -- Attempting to mount an unmodified non-AI lens on a D70 or D70s can damage either the lens or the camera. -- Nikon offered conversion kits for many non-AI lenses in order to permit their safe use with newer cameras. Any lens converted with one of these kits is safe to use on your D70. -- Other service operations also converted non-AI lenses to AI. Some of the earlier conversions left a bit too much material behind and are not safe. -- To convert a lens today, I strongly recommend John White. For pricing and terms, see http://www.aiconversions.com. The downside to such a conversion is that an altered lens has much less value to a collector. -- An AI or AI-converted lens will mount on your D70, but it won't meter. You can use the lens in unmetered manual mode, relying either on an external light meter or an after-the-shot histogram to judge exposure. Shutter priority and program modes would be worthless with a reflex-Nikkor in any case. -- Reflex (mirror) lenses have their own optical quirks. In particular, out of focus highlights end up looking like little donuts. -- With the introduction of the D40, the quagmire of Nikon lens compatibility just got worse. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. > (. . .) What a lot of great information! Thanks! > -- To convert a lens today, I strongly recommend John White. For > pricing and terms, see http://www.aiconversions.com. The downside > to such a conversion is that an altered lens has much less value > to a collector. I followed your link to his web site. What a great service, both in terms of information *and* in terms of mechanical conversions. (Fortunately for me, I'm not a collector, I just want to take photographs.) > -- An AI or AI-converted lens will mount on your D70, but it won't > meter. You've lost me here. Doesn't the light go Through-The-Lens and strike the meter that's in the camera body, regardless of the lens that's mounted on the body? > You can use the lens in unmetered manual mode, relying > either on an external light meter Well, at least I have a backup. I actually *do* have a light meter! :-) ~ Scenic Man ~ >> (. . .) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and strike the meter that's in the camera body, > regardless of the lens that's mounted on the body? It should meter if the conversion includes adding a computer chip to tell the camera what the f/stop range is. A non-AI lens may be only converted enough to mount safely but not include the chip. A D200 doesn't need the chip, you can enter the lens data in the menu. I haven't used a non-AI lens so can't comment on that directly, I may be mistaken. I used an AI-P lens on a D70, that means it was built with a chip. It has an aperture ring but must be set to f/22 on a D70 or D200 and let the camera control the aperture. I've used an AI-S on the D200, with that you actually use the aperture ring. Some discussion at this link: http://www.bythom.com/lensacronyms.htm >> You can use the lens in unmetered manual mode, relying >> either on an external light meter > > Well, at least I have a backup. I actually *do* have a light meter! :-) > > ~ Scenic Man ~ SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >It should meter if the conversion includes adding a computer chip to >tell the camera what the f/stop range is. A non-AI lens may be only John White's AI conversions service is silent on the topic of chip additions to Nikon lenses. There is someone else who does this, Roland Elliot (sp?) but if he has a "mixed" reputation, judging by some of the comments on web sites linked to his site. (Is he unaware or these negative comments, or does he simply not care???) Is there anyone else who offers a chip addition service for older Nikkors? Father Kodak >> -- An AI or AI-converted lens will mount on your D70, but it won't >> meter. > > You've lost me here. Doesn't the light go Through-The-Lens > and strike the meter that's in the camera body, > regardless of the lens that's mounted on the body? Yes, but the meter/camera body combination assumes that the lens is wide open, which it is for bright viewing, and it tells you how much light it sees based on its knowledge that it will be stopped down when the actual picture is taken. The meter can only do this if it knows where you want the lens stopped down to, so there has to be a communication link between the lens and the camera body for this to properly take place. If the older lenses can't communicate this information to the meter/body then the camera will be unable to set in the proper exposure time, and so you will have to do this yourself in manual mode. >>> -- An AI or AI-converted lens will mount on your D70, but it won't >>> meter. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > will be unable to set in the proper exposure time, and so you will have to > do this yourself in manual mode. AHhh! Dawn breaks over Marblehead! Thanks -- that really had me perplexed. > >Anyone know if the newer Nikon digital cameras D80 and D200 accept older > >Nikon fit manual lenses AIs etc. > > I use AI and AI-s lenses on my D200 regularly. Here's one source > for a compatibility matrix: http://snipurl.com/12g4o what does AI /AI-s refer to? I thought they are just non-AF lenses.Do they work with the N-75 without adjustments? thanks -kamal > -- > Michael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com > Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email > address only to submit mail for evaluation. >what does AI /AI-s refer to? I thought they are just non-AF lenses.Do >they work with the N-75 without adjustments? In 1977, Nikon changed how their lenses coupled with the camera body. Before that point, they used a metering prong, which you'll still see on many manual focus lenses. The "new" system was called autoindexing which is abbreviated AI. Stating 4 years later, Nikon made a more subtle tweak, mainly to standardize the operation of the diaphragm. This permitted more accurate exposures in Shutter-priority and Program modes on a few camera models. These are called AI-s (or AIS) lenses. A few manual focus AI-s lenses continue in production to this day. Like the D70, using the older "non-AI" lenses on your N75 can damage either the camera body or the lens. Also like the D70, AI or AI-s manual focus lenses can be safely used, but only in unmetered manual mode. The link I posted above, http://snipurl.com/12g4o, can give you more details. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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