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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / November 2006Simplest Nikon film body for G lenses?
What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to spend a lot, the idea is to play around with my lenses on full format, maybe find something on ebay or KEH with a 50mm/1.8 for a reasonable price or just a body. I would want a decent viewfinder, I'm guessing that's a given compared to crop frame dSLRs. Someone mentioned how small & straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I understand.  SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no > aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I > understand. You can pick up N90's for a song....it is an excellent camera full of features that can use the G lenses. I've seen them for sale from Adorama for less than $150. I love my N90. > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no > aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I > understand. The F80 can do it, if I'm not completely mistaken - they should be available quite cheap nowadays. I don't know if its size fits your requirement of "small", but it sure is a fine camera. Cheers, ink > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no > aperture ring? Any of the older bodies that have -shutter priority- or -program- auto can use the lenses. Cameras like the F3 and FE that only have aperture priority auto won't work. You won't be able to set the aperture manually on the older cameras and the lens/camera will only work on auto. If you want to use the camera controls to set the aperture you will need one of the F50/60/.../xx bodies with the LCD and the thumbwheels. If your aperture-ringless lenses are DX lenses, made for Nikon's 4/3 APS-sized digital sensor, then they won't [necessarily] cover the whole of a 35mm film frame. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com >>What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no >>aperture ring? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > aperture you will need one of the F50/60/.../xx bodies with the > LCD and the thumbwheels. OK thanks, as someone else said, those are called N80/60... etc in the US so the F50 is the cheapest one at $50 on ebay in working order. Or I see someone else mentioned the N4004/6006/8008, I see a N4004s sold for $35. The bummer is, they all look like a D70, I wish there was a cooler more retro looking body but I guess not. Thanks everyone. > If your aperture-ringless lenses are DX lenses, made for Nikon's > 4/3 APS-sized digital sensor, then they won't [necessarily] cover > the whole of a 35mm film frame. All full frame lenses including the Sigma 12-24 and that's the one that would really be interesting on full frame... er backwards thinking but it'd be like an 8mm rectilinear on a crop frame dSLR. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >> What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no >> aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > quite cheap nowadays. I don't know if its size fits your requirement of > "small", but it sure is a fine camera. FYI -- in the United States, this camera sells as the N80. I believe the N75 will probably work with G lenses as well. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with > no aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > how small & straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring > as I understand. The answer to your question is 4004, 6006 or 8008. The 8008s was a nicely robust camera with an excellent viewfinder. I can't vouch for the other two. > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses > with no aperture ring? The smallest and cheapest would probably be a Pronea S, not that I'd recommend it. The smallest and cheapest 35mm camera would be an F50. I wouldn't recommend that one either. Instead, consider a Nikon N/F75. You can buy refurbished ones with warranty from reputable dealers for about $120. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $250. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >>What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses >>with no aperture ring? > > The smallest and cheapest would probably be a Pronea S, not that > I'd recommend it. That's funky looking. Probably hard to find one without a lens or with a useful lens. Maybe doesn't even have a remote cable option... Oh, it's AP-S size film! > The smallest and cheapest 35mm camera would be an F50. I wouldn't > recommend that one either. Why not, crappy viewfinder? What about a N4004? Hmmm, what about also using old AI/AI-S lenses? Is that what pushes me to a F75? > Instead, consider a Nikon N/F75. You can buy refurbished ones > with warranty from reputable dealers for about $120. $50 would be a lot easier to swallow for just a little playing around. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >> The smallest and cheapest 35mm camera would be an F50. I wouldn't >> recommend that one either. > > Why not, crappy viewfinder? The viewfinder is poor and the controls poorly laid out. It won't autofocus with AF-S lenses and can't use VR. Autofocus is not as good as a N75 either. > What about a N4004? The 4004/F401 is almost twice as heavy, has Nikon's first generation autofocus, and can only use G lenses in P and S modes. > Hmmm, what about also using old AI/AI-S lenses? Is that > what pushes me to a F75? Unfortunately, the N/F75 only offers unmetered manual mode with the older lenses. The least expensive camera that allows you to use both G lenses in all modes and AI/AI-S lenses in manual and aperture priority mode is the F100. While the F100 is a fine semipro camera, decent used copies are still selling for $300. Here's a Nikon compatibility chart. As you can see, it's chalk full of arcane letters and limitations. And with the introduction of the D40 yesterday, things just got worse. http://snipurl.com/12g4o >> Instead, consider a Nikon N/F75. You can buy refurbished >> one with warranty from reputable dealers for about $120. > $50 would be a lot easier to swallow for just a little > playing around. Used copies on eBay go for about $60-65. These plastic body models aren't designed for much abuse, so while you might be able to find a beater for $50, I'd steer clear. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >>>The smallest and cheapest 35mm camera would be an F50. I wouldn't >>>recommend that one either. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > While the F100 is a fine semipro camera, decent used copies > are still selling for $300. OK I think I found another one that will work, the N/F90s and it's pretty close to looking like an older camera with loads of features & seems to sell for around $150 on ebay. The chart you link says G lenses 'Will only work in P and S modes, not on A or M' which is kind of odd but certainly useable. And it does work with AI lenses, also partially. Now I see that the N/F70 works the same as the N/F90s. > Here's a Nikon compatibility chart. As you can see, it's > chalk full of arcane letters and limitations. And with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > body models aren't designed for much abuse, so while you > might be able to find a beater for $50, I'd steer clear. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com Why are you interrested in using G-lenses? Do you have a lot or do you expect to get some? Retro look and G-lenses does not fit very well together..... Nikon F or F2 with standard prism finder and Nikkor-HC 50/2 .....that is retro... :-) Max > What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no > aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I > understand. > Why are you interrested in using G-lenses? > Do you have a lot or do you expect to get some? Three very nice G lenses, one AI-P, one AI-S. > Retro look and G-lenses does not fit very well together..... > > Nikon F or F2 with standard prism finder and Nikkor-HC 50/2 .....that is > retro... :-) Yes that would be cool. The N75 is sorta vaguely retro with half-silver body. http://i11.ebayimg.com/03/i/08/0b/9f/9c_1.JPG not quite: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmitriyk/44837255/in/set-870114/ >>What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no >>aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I >>understand. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >> Why are you interrested in using G-lenses? >> Do you have a lot or do you expect to get some? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > not quite: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmitriyk/44837255/in/set-870114/ The FM3A is a nice camera and the 45/2.8P looks much nicer without the hood. It you put a G-lens on it all pictures would be shot at smallest apperture? Eg at 22 if this is the smallest? A F5 is not small....but not that expensive anymore. If you buy private you could probably get a nice one for USD 300 or so? It is not at bad film camera choice....... >>>What is the smallest/cheapest/oldest Nikon film body for G lenses with no >>>aperture ring? I could live without AF/AF-S function. I wouldn't want to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>>& straightforward the FE is but that requires an aperture ring as I >>>understand. >The FM3A is a nice camera and the 45/2.8P looks much nicer without >the hood. I don't like the fake metal finish on the 48/2.8P. >It you put a G-lens on it all pictures would be shot at smallest apperture? >Eg at 22 if this is the smallest? Yes. The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >>The FM3A is a nice camera and the 45/2.8P looks much nicer without >>the hood. > > I don't like the fake metal finish on the 48/2.8P. I've got the new one in black, but it is metal, I don't know if the silver one is painted. >>It you put a G-lens on it all pictures would be shot at smallest apperture? >>Eg at 22 if this is the smallest? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the > aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. Oh, I like that one! It looks like an old square-ish metal body (though it is plastic?) & seems to sell for around $150. It looks to be not particularly small but that's ok if it's affordable, looks cool & meters all my lenses. Hmmm manual focus, that's ok... aw crap... now I see it won't work with G lenses. SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com >> I don't like the fake metal finish on the 48/2.8P. > >I've got the new one in black, but it is metal, I don't know if the >silver one is painted. The 'silver' doesn't like like any kind of metal to me. >> The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the >> aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >all my lenses. Hmmm manual focus, that's ok... aw crap... now I see it >won't work with G lenses. The FA is essentially the same body as the FM/FE/FM2/FE2/FM3a. You can't select the aperture directly. But it is supposed to work in shutter priority and program mode. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >>> I don't like the fake metal finish on the 48/2.8P. >> >>I've got the new one in black, but it is metal, I don't know if the >>silver one is painted. > > The 'silver' doesn't like like any kind of metal to me. The 'silver' one....is pure metal (aluminium). >>> The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the >>> aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You can't select the aperture directly. But it is supposed to work > in shutter priority and program mode. Are you sure it will work in shutter priority and program mode with this body? .....the camera does not need the information about the max. apperture? (the G-lenses probably don't have the mechanical transfer of this informaion to the camera body? ) But if is works the FA will be the perfect choice. > "Philip Homburg" <philip@ue.aioy.eu> skrev > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the camera body? ) > But if is works the FA will be the perfect choice. The problem is no way to adjust aperture at all on G lenses. Tape the prong on the back in different positions? SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com Max Perl wrote: > the camera does not need the information about the max. apperture? No. All it needs to know is how many stops to close the lens from full aperture - and that is not something the lens tells the body but the body tells the lens. The stop-down mechanism on the lens is calibrated in stops/mm of motion. This number is the same on all AIS and later lenses. Many AI and NAI lenses have about the same calibration and work OK on newer program/auto bodies. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com >Are you sure it will work in shutter priority and program mode with this >body? .....the camera does not need the information about the max. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the camera body? ) >But if is works the FA will be the perfect choice. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work. I was thinking about the FA's ability to control that aperture. However, without Ai coupling it will only use the lens wide open. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the >aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. I'm afraid the FA is no better than any other manual focus lens when it comes to G lenses. All you get is stop-down metering at minimum aperture. I verified this myself with my FA (purchased new in 1988) and a 24-120mm VR (purchased much later). SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >>The FA is much better with G lenses as it allows you control the >>aperture in shutter priority mode and in program mode. > >I'm afraid the FA is no better than any other manual focus lens >when it comes to G lenses. All you get is stop-down metering >at minimum aperture. That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that the screen stays dark when you put a G lens on an FA. Normally (and I think I verified that when I played with a DX lens), the aperture opens when you mount the lens, no matter whether the camera supports G lenses or not. It is just that camera has to control the aperture, something the FA should be able to do. (In program and shutter priority mode). SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency > It is just that camera has to control the aperture, something the FA > should be able to do. (In program and shutter priority mode). The FA can control the apeture of G lenses in a binary form. Open (viewing) or closed (taking). There is no in between. So for example if you had an F4 lens with a minimum apeture of F32, it would always open to F4 when you were focusing and close to F32 when you pressed the shutter release. Nothing in between. G series lenes have their apeture set via the AF contacts. The only camera of the Nikormat type that would work is the FM3a. Older cameras like the 8008 etc were not designed to work with lenses without apeture (F stop) rings. They will properly set the apeture in programed and shutter priority mode. They are not designed to set the apeture in manual and apeture priority modes. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ >>It is just that camera has to control the aperture, something the FA >>should be able to do. (In program and shutter priority mode). [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > G series lenes have their apeture set via the AF contacts. The only camera > of the Nikormat type that would work is the FM3a. Oh really? The FM3a would work with G lenses??? SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com Now I'm getting confused ... Searched with Google and the consensus is that there is no consensus: o All pictures will be at min aperture o All pictures will be at max aperture o FA can control o FA can not control, but F90/N90 can o F90/N90 can but only in some funky modes o 2000 can't, 2020 can ... I give up. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com > Now I'm getting confused ... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > o All pictures will be at min aperture > o All pictures will be at max aperture Either way it's effectively useless. > o FA can control > o FA can not control, but F90/N90 can > o F90/N90 can but only in some funky modes This much at least seems correct. > o 2000 can't, 2020 can ... > > I give up. This chart doesn't have the FA: <http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/other/compatibility.html> SignaturePaul Furman http://www.edgehill.net/1 Bay Natives http://www.baynatives.com Do you have an original user manual for one of your G-lenses? .....if so......does Nikon write which camera bodies that can be used? ......one should think so......but then you would not have aked the question to this group. But maybe G-lens owners could look in their manuals......I will try to look in the Nikon books I have..... >> Now I'm getting confused ... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > This chart doesn't have the FA: > <http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/other/compatibility.html> I looked in my Nikon compendium.....from just before the D2X and D200. Here is what is written about the G-lenses: The AF-G Type: The AF-G type represents the latest innovation in lens design from Nikon and marks the end of the near universal compatibility of Nikkor lenses with all camera bodies from the Nikon F SLR of 1959 onwards. The reason for this is simple the AF-G types have no aperture ring. They are intended for more recent cameras that allow the aperture to be set via a control on the camera body, such as the F65, F80, F100, F5, D100 and D1 series. They can also be used on earlier AF cameras like the F4, F90, F70 and F801/s, but you are limited to only the Program and Shutter Priority exposure modes. The F4......a fantastic camera :-) > Do you have an original user manual for one of your > G-lenses? .....if so......does Nikon write which camera bodies that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> This chart doesn't have the FA: >> <http://www.nikonians.org/html/resources/nikon_articles/other/compatibility.html> >Now I'm getting confused ... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > o All pictures will be at min aperture > o All pictures will be at max aperture It looks like there is third variation: you can chose between min aperture (M, or A modes) or max aperture (S, P). SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that the screen stays dark >when you put a G lens on an FA. > >Normally (and I think I verified that when I played with a DX lens), the >aperture opens when you mount the lens, no matter whether the camera >supports G lenses or not. It does. But when you press the shutter, the FA will always stop the lens down to the minimum aperture. But when it comes to metering, the camera assumes the lens is wide open. So in order to get a valid meter reading, you have to use the DOF preview button (making the screen go dark). You can then manually set the shutter speed, focus through the wide-open aperture and shoot. Not totally useless, but close enough. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. > But when it comes to metering, the > camera assumes [a G] lens is wide open. Ooops, this means there is no AIS tab -- cancel my previous post. > Not totally useless, but close enough. Nicely sums up the state of Mankind. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com > That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that the screen stays dark > when you put a G lens on an FA. The lens is open until the picture is taken, then it closes down to the minimum aperture. TTBOMK G lenses have a fixed AIS tab that indicates the lens is stopped down to minimum aperture but TBOMK isn't very good sometimes, so take with 5 lb. iodized salt. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com >> That doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that the screen stays dark >> when you put a G lens on an FA. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >down to minimum aperture but TBOMK isn't very good sometimes, so >take with 5 lb. iodized salt. It's a pity that there is no Ai tab. Experiments this afternoon with an FA and a 18-70DX show that the FA considers the lens to have just one aperture: wide open. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >It's a pity that there is no Ai tab. Experiments this afternoon with an >FA and a 18-70DX show that the FA considers the lens to have just >one aperture: wide open. If you're willing to take the time, try one more experiment. Look at the front of the lens while triggering the FA's shutter. You'll see that the lens stops all the way down to minimum aperture. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >If you're willing to take the time, try one more experiment. Look at >the front of the lens while triggering the FA's shutter. You'll see >that the lens stops all the way down to minimum aperture. No I specifically tested that with the back open and with a motor drive: the aperture stays open. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >No I specifically tested that with the back open and with a motor drive: >the aperture stays open. How odd. I don't have a motor drive, but here's what I see with the FA and 18-70mm: http://webwhat.home.comcast.net/fa.html SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >>No I specifically tested that with the back open and with a motor drive: >>the aperture stays open. > >How odd. I don't have a motor drive, but here's what I see with the >FA and 18-70mm: > http://webwhat.home.comcast.net/fa.html Are you sure that the FA was set to P or S? My guess is that you set the camera to bulb which is M. My FA doesn't expose normally with its back open. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency > Are you sure that the FA was set to P or S? My guess is that you set the > camera to bulb which is M. My FA doesn't expose normally with its back > open. The shot was in manual mode with the camera set to bulb, but I see the same thing in all modes. With the back open, the FA doesn't meter at all -- unless you select bulb it will always use the manual 1/250th speed. I have neither the equipment nor the patience to trap that. If you wish, I'll be glad to add a shot demonstrating the minimum aperture from the _front_ in P mode -- with the back closed I can crank down the ASA so the shutter stays open long enough to get the shot. But since we're seeing different things with the back open, it may be that there was a design change at some point in production. SignatureMichael Benveniste -- mhb-offer@clearether.com Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $250. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. >But since we're seeing different things with the back >open, it may be that there was a design change at some point in >production. For these kinds of experiments, I press the little pin that tells the camera that the back is open. SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >Why are you interrested in using G-lenses? >Do you have a lot or do you expect to get some? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Nikon F or F2 with standard prism finder and Nikkor-HC 50/2 .....that is >retro... :-) You mean that modern stuff, where the focal length is specified in mm (instead of cm), with distance scales also in meters (instead of just feet), and where Nippon Kogaku has been replaced with Nikon. :-) SignatureThat was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency >>Why are you interrested in using G-lenses? >>Do you have a lot or do you expect to get some? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (instead of cm), with distance scales also in meters (instead of just > feet), and where Nippon Kogaku has been replaced with Nikon. :-) Then it should be a 5.0cm Nikkor-S :-) ...... the 50/2 Nikkor-H can be found in both versions (Nippon Kogaku and Nikon)...but the HC is always Nikon. |
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