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Photo Forum / Film Photography / 35 mm / November 2006You Know the Best Thing about George Bush and Big Tex?
Me neither! > Annika1980 wrote: > Me neither! Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) >> Annika1980 wrote: >> Me neither! > >Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) Dubya was a cheerleader. How f*cked up is THAT. RP© >>> Annika1980 wrote: >>> Me neither! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Dubya was a cheerleader. > How f*cked up is THAT. Perfect background for becoming a US president. No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com >>>> Annika1980 wrote: >>>> Me neither! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. Or a hat salesman...... >> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >> > Or a hat salesman...... We could use Harry in office once again...I'm tired of all politicians BS. The party makes no difference, they are different sides of the same coin. >>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>> >> Or a hat salesman...... > > We could use Harry in office once again...I'm tired of all politicians BS. > The party makes no difference, they are different sides of the same coin. I agree. Also, there is nothing wrong with our president being someone who is not a professional politician.....When this country started, there were no such things as professional politicians. Constitutionally, anyone can become a president. I personally see nothing wrong with either hat salesmen or actors occupying the white house...... > >> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. > >> > > Or a hat salesman...... > > We could use Harry in office once again...I'm tired of all politicians BS. > The party makes no difference, they are different sides of the same coin. ??? If Al Gore had been voted president--oh wait, he was--if he'd _won_ the presidency, there's no way in hell we'd be in Iraq today, and that is a HUGE difference. >>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > _won_ the presidency, there's no way in hell we'd be in Iraq today, > and that is a HUGE difference. Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11...  SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > >>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11... It's a sad world you live in where not making war equals cowardice. You're as f.cked up as any individual on this group. >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It's a sad world you live in where not making war equals cowardice. > You're as f.cked up as any individual on this group. Don't put words in my mouth, chum. Didn't say that at all. I just think Gore is one of the biggest weasels washington has ever seen. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. > >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Didn't say that at all. > I just think Gore is one of the biggest weasels washington has ever seen. The _only_ difference Bush has made to the level of Islamic terrorism, both actual and the threat level, is to increase it ten or a hundredfold, by policies that are the most effective recruiting message the extremists ever had. That's one huge mistake that I don't think Gore would have been so likely to make. Peter >> >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >had. That's one huge mistake that I don't think Gore would have been so >likely to make. Dubya is also the best campaign manager the Dems ever had. If Gore won, IMO, we would be well on our way to ridding our dependency on oil, not be in a ugly, pointless war, would be making an effort at diplomacy, would be solving all kinds of environmental issues and _everyone_ would be benefiting from the administrations policies, instead of just a handful of *elites*.... If Kerry won there was already so much damage caused by Bush that the above would apply but to a lesser extent. It's gonna take years to clean this mess up :(( Cheers, RP© >>> >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > issues and _everyone_ would be benefiting from the administrations > policies, instead of just a handful of *elites*.... Or, the Democrats would have declared Farsi as our national language by now...... On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:05:17 -0000, "Bandicoot" >The _only_ difference Bush has made to the level of Islamic terrorism, >both actual and the threat level, is to increase it ten or a hundredfold, by >policies that are the most effective recruiting message the extremists ever >had. That's one huge mistake that I don't think Gore would have been so >likely to make. And here's another angle to this tragedy... Because we (the USA) attacked Iraq unilaterally, without provocation, there will be no incentive on the part of the rest of the world to clean up the mess we've made. Make no mistake, it's a colossal mess, and could easily get much worse before it gets better. Do you think the Europeans, or the UN, or the Soviets or Chinese or anyone else will be willing to commit their troops to keep Sunnis and Shiites and Kurds from murdering each other? How many years or decades will they need to stay? And if this conflict does devolve into a wider civil war or even a regional war -- how does that make the USA look in the eyes of the world? Does anyone recall the promises of a peaceful, democratic Middle East that was supposed to result from this insane misadventure? rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com >Does anyone recall the promises of a peaceful, >democratic Middle East that was supposed to >result from this insane misadventure? Oh yes, the Iraqis were going to greet us with 'flowers and candy". Like Al Franken says, "little did we know they would be exploding". Chelabi was the *expert* to convince the Bushies things would be easy. They listened to Chelabi instead of the think tanks and experts that said quite the opposite... and Chelabi hasn't been in Iraq since before 1960. All Bush was worried about was twisting the intelligence to match his plan. Bush administration calculated the number to repair damage in post war Iraq at 1.7 billion.... HA! RP© >>Does anyone recall the promises of a peaceful, >>democratic Middle East that was supposed to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Bush administration calculated the number to repair damage in post war > Iraq at 1.7 billion.... HA! You're wasting your time. Bush can be elected no more.....Better start bashing McCain, and eulogizing Hillary......You've only got two more years to go......... > On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:05:17 -0000, "Bandicoot" > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > civil war or even a regional war -- how does > that make the USA look in the eyes of the world? What dies that matter? - Have you checked out what the, "rest of the world" thinks of us recently? They hated us before anybody even knew the name, "Bush". In the middle 70's, an English teacher of mine (after a European trip) told her class that if we go to Europe, be sure to visit Spain, because the French hate us and will treat us like sh.t. > Does anyone recall the promises of a peaceful, > democratic Middle East that was supposed to > result from this insane misadventure? How about, "No more airplanes flying through our tallest buildings? - Or does that matter? >> >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >> >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Peter Alas.....There's no way to tell.....Read about, "Glorious contingency".....We'll never know what, "could have been." >Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >Didn't say that at all. >I just think Gore is one of the biggest weasels washington has ever seen. Seems many people here have made a lot of comments about Dubya. Most were backed up with good facts or at the least explanations. What do you have to back up your comments about Al Gore? Curious, RP© >> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > were backed up with good facts or at the least explanations. What do > you have to back up your comments about Al Gore? You want proof he's a weasel?? You want PROOF of how he would have handled Iraq? :) Do I have to explain that it impossible to prove a hypothetical? Do I have to PROVE that he's a weasel? How would you suggest one go about that? The guys's a weasel. Disagree? Great! Tell what a great 9/11 president he'd have SURELY been... Go on! You're entitled! SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Disagree? Great! Tell what a great 9/11 president he'd have SURELY been... >Go on! You're entitled! So you hate the man for no reason? Did you forget this??? >I find significant problems with Bush. The difference is that some here >take their criticisms and turn it into blind, all-encompassing >hatred...where ANY accusation is assumed to be factual, and ANY evil motive >is assumed to be true. Blind hatred is never productive. You are a damn good republican Mark <grin>... just like most of the other good republicans you probably drive a foreign car, shop at wal-mart and go to church three times a week to pray for bad things to happen to people you don't like. NiceParking is correct about you :)) RP© >>>> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>>> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > happen to people you don't like. > NiceParking is correct about you :)) Oh for crying out loud. Quit your pathetic whimpering. I called him a weasel. Surely life will go on. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >Oh for crying out loud. Quit your pathetic whimpering. >I called him a weasel. >Surely life will go on. My bozoputer just booted up and says "Dubya is a weasel"... nyah, nyah nyah nyah nya". RP© >>Oh for crying out loud. Quit your pathetic whimpering. >>I called him a weasel. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > RP© What, because one is a weasel, the other can't be? They're both weasels, one on a monumental scale, one on a purely national scale. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm >>>>> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>>>> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > I called him a weasel. > Surely life will go on. He's a weasel....So is John Kerry.....The best that the Democrats can come up with for 2008 so far, is Hillary..... I've been staying out of this discussion, but I gotta butt in at this point. I've been registered as a Democrat since the days of Dick Nixon. And I never found a reason to trust Al Gore. He is focused, true, and some of what he _says_ is true, but a lot of what I hear from him is not strictly factual. And I don't mean the old "invented the internet" thing. A great deal of his global warming stance is based on ignoring trends that are not part of the accepted party line. And he is very anti personal transportation. And, frankly, I don't trust him because of a gut feeling. That's a hard one to prove is based in fact, but all of us have formed opinions based on that. And, yes, I do drive a foreign car, no, I don't shop at WalMart, and I haven't been in a church in 25 years. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > I've been staying out of this discussion, but I gotta butt in at this > point. I've been registered as a Democrat since the days of Dick Nixon. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And, yes, I do drive a foreign car, no, I don't shop at WalMart, and I > haven't been in a church in 25 years. We feed half the raccoons in West Salem, and you can buy 50 lb. Bags of 'coon food from Wall Mart for less than $12. I shop there all the time. Also, when my daughter was going through Nursing school, she worked at Wall Mart, and they let her work around her class schedule, and when she had to move to another state, they let her switch to the Wall Mart in that other state, too. > We feed half the raccoons in West Salem, and you can buy 50 lb. Bags of > 'coon food from Wall Mart for less than $12. I shop there all the time. > Also, when my daughter was going through Nursing school, she worked at Wall > Mart, and they let her work around her class schedule, and when she had to > move to another state, they let her switch to the Wall Mart in that other > state, too. I feel children should be nursed at home, not school. The fact that Wal-Mart employs such young children says volumes about the decay of Western Society. Tell me, did she also have to get to and from work on her own each day? What department was she in? Why did she have to leave the state? Was there a government investigation into corrupt corporate governance and she didn't want to appear before a Grand Jury? Perhaps if you had provided her with as small weekly allowance, all the needless suffering at the hands of her corporate task masters could have been avoided. mike <g> >> We feed half the raccoons in West Salem, and you can buy 50 lb. Bags of >> 'coon food from Wall Mart for less than $12. I shop there all the time. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > mike She was in her 20's, and had a child to take care of.....Today, she has three children, a husband, and owns a home health care business in Thayne, Wyoming......In those days, she was working her way through nursing school.....Moved from Wyoming to Kentucky because her husband had to take care of his mother, and had other business there.....It's complicated. But my point is, Wall Mart was a pretty good place for her to work during those years, and, if you're not rich, it's a good place to shop, too..... > I've been staying out of this discussion, but I gotta butt in at this point. > I've been registered as a Democrat since the days of Dick Nixon. And I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And, yes, I do drive a foreign car, no, I don't shop at WalMart, and I > haven't been in a church in 25 years. make-up; he wears more make-up than the Rockettes at Christmas. Bob Hickey [SNIP] > > It's not a gut feeling, it's the > make-up; he wears more make-up than the Rockettes at Christmas. > Bob Hickey That's still less than Tony Blair. (Trust me, I know...) Peter >>>> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>>> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > So you hate the man for no reason? Hating a man for no reason is the exclusive right of the Democrats.....Witness the way they talk about George Bush. > Did you forget this??? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > happen to people you don't like. > NiceParking is correct about you :)) They not only get inside Bush's mind and assume they know his thoughts. They do the same thing with everyone else, too. It's easy to poo-pooh Wall Mart when you are a news anchor making a million dollars a year....Try it when you have 6 kids and are only making 20 grand a year...... >>>> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>>> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > RP© When the US produced something truly equivalent to my Toyota Land Cruiser for reliability, and etc., I'll gladly consider buying one. As of yet, they've failed to do so. Where are your shoes made? Where is your TV/Stereo/kid's toys made? Where are the majority of your colthes made? Gotcha. I've attended church most of my life, and have yet to EVER hear a single prayer for anything bad to happen to anyone. There are a lot of stupid religious people out there, true...but there are others who do things you should be thankful for. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >>Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >>Didn't say that at all. >>I just think Gore is one of the biggest weasels washington has ever seen. > > Seems many people here have made a lot of comments about Dubya. Most > were backed up with good facts or at the least explanations. You must be kidding....Blind hatred. Pretending to be able to read the man's mind.....Claiming that every honest mistake was an evil lie.....This is, "backed up with good facts...."? >> Don't put words in my mouth, chum. >> Didn't say that at all. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > RP© When Gore was a senator he fought to get subsidies for tobacco growers, whom he later turned against when he became a VP. Back when he was a senator, he made a fortune investing in tobacco stock. In the eight years with Clinton, do you know of any Gore ideas that Clinton accepted and fought with congress to get enacted? Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote: > niceparking@gmail.com wrote: > > Advocate wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11... It's a sad world you live in where not making war equals cowardice. You're as f.cked up as any individual on this group. Hey! - "War" was declared on us on September 11, 2001. All we've done since then was engage the enemy..... > >>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11... Want proof? Iraq has zero connection to 9/11, but f.cked up persons such as yourself are still making that connection. >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Want proof? Iraq has zero connection to 9/11, but f.cked up persons > such as yourself are still making that connection. You like the F-word just as much as Dallas Dahms... Hmmm...coincidence? :) If you're not Dallas...who are you? SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson Mark² (lowest even number here) wrote: > niceparking@gmail.com wrote: > > Advocate wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11... Want proof? Iraq has zero connection to 9/11, but f.cked up persons such as yourself are still making that connection. Maybe because there haven't been any more terrorist attacks here in the US since the Iraqi invasion.....All the terrorists are busy doing their suicide thing over there..... >>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Exactly. -Gore would still be hiding under his desk after September 11... If my memory serves, (and it does), Gore VOLUNTEERED for the Army after graduating from Harvard, and served in Vietnam. Hmmm? So did Kerry. And Jimmy Carter was a Naval Academy grad serving in Rickover's nuclear submarines. Lessee? Clinton managed to avoid the draft, but then again so did Cheney, Limbaugh, and a whole slew of right wingnut neocons ... Why do republican chicken-hawks insist on making smear attacks against Democratic VETERANS? Just a little comparison: Prominent Democrats • Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. • Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71 (the FULL 6 years). • Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 • Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 • Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; went to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. • Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam • Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two • Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat • Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea • Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam -- Triple amputee from wounds received in Vietnam • Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. • Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. • Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 • Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. • Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. • Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. • Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; Purple Heart. • Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." • Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. • Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57 • Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - lengthy military career (NATO Supreme Allied Commander - 4 star GENERAL). • Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam ... A Marine Corps veteran who finished first in his class at Quantico, Robb became a White House Honor Guard. It was there that he met and eventually married Lynda Johnson, the daughter of former U.S. President, Lyndon B. Johnson. Robb went on to serve two tours of duty in Vietnam, where he led a rifle company in combat, and was awarded the Bronze Star. And despite some scandals, appears to be still married to his "first" wife (unlike Reagan, Dole, Gingrich, et al). • Howell Heflin... Democrat... Silver Star • George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & Distinguished Flying Cross, B-24 pilot, 35 missions during WWII. • Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine) • Former Vice President Walter Mondale, U.S. Army 1951-1953 • Former Senator John Glenn, D-OH (1974-1999) - Served in WWII and Korea; extensive military commendations include the Distinguished Flying Cross on six occasions, and the Air Medal with 18 Clusters. Astronaut, first American to orbit the earth. • Congressman Tom Lantos, D-CA - Did not serve in the US military; did serve in the Hungarian anti-Nazi underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg, is the only Holocaust survivor to serve in Congress. • James Carville, a.k.a. "Corporal Cueball" - Served in the United States Marine Corps, 1966-'68. • Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. "Kos" (leading liberal blogger) - Served in the United States Army, 1989-'92. Back from the front lines, and running for Congress in 2006. Why did almost all of the veterans coming home from Iraq run as Democrats? • MAJ Paul Hackett, USMC - U.S. Senate - Ohio Volunteered in 2004 for active duty in the Iraq War, spending seven months as a civil affairs officer with the 4th Civil Affairs Group of the 1st Marine Division. Assigned to Ramadi and supported the Fallujah campaign and reconstruction efforts there. • LTC Charles Brown, USAF - California 4th District - 26-year career in USAF; jet and helicopter pilot; recently retired as Lt. Colonel • CPT Patrick Murphy, US Army - Pennsylvania's 8th Congressional District West Point professor, airborne and air assault qualified, a JAG Corps attorney, served two deployments after 9/11 - the first to Bosnia in 2002 and the second to Baghdad, Iraq in 2003-2004 as a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne Division. Bronze Star, Presidential Unit Citation. • 1LT Bryan Lentz, US Army - Pennslyvania's 7th Congressional District Third generation Army veteran, served with distinction in the Iraq War and with MFO and NATO peacekeeping missions in the Sinai Peninsula and Bosnia. Bronze Star. Commanded civil affairs unit in Iraq responsible for rebuilding the infrastructure in Mosul. • CPT David Harris, US Army - Texas 6th Congressional District 12 years active duty. Infantry Rifle Platoon Leader, Company Executive Officer, Support Platoon Leader, Division Operations Officer, and Infantry Company Commander. Earned Bachelors degree in Government from the University of Central Texas (now Tarleton State University) while stationed at Fort Hood, Texas. Assistant Professor of Military Science and Training Officer for the Department of Military Science at the University of Texas at Arlington and graduate of the U.S. Army Ranger and Airborne schools. Transferred into the Army Reserves in October 2002 and was stationed with a Military Police Battalion in Grand Prairie, Texas. Alerted for Operation Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom January 2003. Mobilized to go to Iraq with my Army Reserve unit in January, 2003. Deployed 14 months as a Logistics Officer. • CPT David Ashe, USMC - Virginia's 2nd Congressional District Served in Kuwait in Operation Enduring Freedom for most of 2002. Deployed to Iraq in 2003, attached to an infantry battalion assigned to the Al Muthanna province. Sole coalition legal representative assigned to restore the judicial system in an area roughly 20,000 square miles with a population of more than 315,000 Iraqis. He traveled overland to Basrah, Baghdad, Al Nasiriya. • CPT Andrew Duck, US Army - Maryland 6th Congressional District Served 20+ years in the United States Army, three tours in Bosnia and a tour in Iraq in 2003. Army career began as a Private First Class, working as a Company Clerk. He worked his way up to Administrative Non-Commissioned Officer, was trained as a Korean Linguist, and was commissioned as a Military Intelligence Officer. Assignments included: * Platoon Leader, Joint STARS Platoon, Mostar, Bosnia * Assistant S3 and Chief, Counter-Intelligence Operations Cell, 103d Military Intelligence Battalion, Multi-National Division (North), Bosnia Commander, D Company, 103d Military Intelligence Battalion, 3d Infantry Division * Intelligence Liaison Officer to 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, Iraq * Intelligence Staff Officer, Combined Forces Land Component Command, Kuwait. • Eric Massa, USN (Ret) - New York’s 29th District Graduate from the US Naval Academy at Annapolis Maryland, 24 years active duty serving in every operational area that the Navy sailed in. Deployed for many months off the coast of Beirut in direct support of our Marines ashore (1983). On station during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and throughout the opening of Desert Storm. Capstone military assignment was Special Assistant to General Wes Clark, in Panama and when he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO forces. Former Republican Congressional Staffer who broke with party because "As a Professional Staff Member I expressed grave concerns to the Republican Party and wrote several dissenting documents about the plans to invade Iraq. When I saw what was happening to our returning Veterans, I again documented my concerns to the Republicans ... left my position on the House Armed Services Committee over the plans and strategies dealing with the Iraq war and its aftermath and have not looked back since. While I was not on the House Floor when the vote to invade Iraq took place, I voted with my feet by joining the Wesley Clark for President Campaign in New Hampshire. ... After the campaign, I returned home and watched the outcome of the 2004 elections. I grew even more concerned about the future as I saw a small group of right-wing partisan politicians, highjack the party I had left the year before. Vote after vote in both the House and the Senate results in legislation that continues an unending assault on the very backbone of our nation - the hard working families of America that form our Middle Class." ... aha! There's that mythical "good republican". • LTC Tim Dunn, USMC (Res) - North Carolina's 8th Congressional District Desert Shield, Desert Storm, Kosovo and Iraq. In Iraq Dunn helped prepare the legal case against Saddam Hussein. Bronze Star. So then you have ... • Former President Bill Clinton - avoided the draft through student deferments; in the autumn of 1969, Clinton entered the draft but received a high number (311) and was never called to serve. (CNN article.) "...it was his doubts about the morality of the war and the Selective Service system that led him to abandon the ROTC idea and to subject himself to a draft lottery. Only the luck of the draw - a high lottery number - kept him out. " (Jeff Greenfield, ABC News, quoting Gov. Clinton.) Which you then have to balance against these prominent Republicans and Neo-Con punditocracy ... • GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." (Yeah? Where? When? He won't even tell you where he was in 1972.) • Dick Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") • Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve. • Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve. • House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself." • House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve • Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. • Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve • Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. • Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve. • Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State • Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. • Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve, too busy being a Republican. • Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve • Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments • Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve • Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve • Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. • Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve • Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, (formerly) fifth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. • Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, sixth-ranking Republican in the House - did not serve. • Rep. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve due to a "bad knee" (yet somehow feels he has a right to attack triple amputee, Vietnam Vetran Max Cleland's patriotism) • Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve • Jack Kemp, did not serve (4-F because of a knee injury; continued as a NFL quarterback for another eight years) • Eliot Abrams, did not serve • Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve • Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve • Richard Perle, did not serve • Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve • Rudy Giuliani, did not serve • Michael Bloomberg, did not serve • George Pataki, did not serve • Spencer Abraham, did not serve • John Engler, did not serve • Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve • Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service (apparently inflated his resume ... ok, he's made a LOT of inflated, unsubstantiated claims about his military service). • Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve • Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve • Arnold Schwarzenegger, CA Republican Governor - went AWOL from his Austrian army base to enter a body building competition • George Will, did not serve • Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. • Bill O'Reilly, did not serve • Paul Gigot, did not serve. • Bill Bennett, Did not serve • Pat Buchanan, did not serve • Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' - He had a pimple on his a.shole that made him unfit for service ... [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) • Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji • John Wayne, did not serve • Bill Kristol, did not serve • Sean Hannity, did not serve. • Kenneth Starr, did not serve • Antonin Scalia, did not serve • Clarence Thomas, did not serve • Ralph Reed, did not serve • Michael Medved, did not serve • Charlie Daniels, did not serve • Ted Nugent, did not serve • Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. • Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve. OTOH, I'll give at least partial credit to ... • Former Senator Bob Dole - an honorable man, even if he did leave his first wife of 24 years to marry the wicked witch of the west! Two purple hearts & Bronze Star with "V". • Chuck Hagel - two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam. • Duke Cunningham - nominated for the Medal of Honor, received the Navy Cross, two Silver Stars, fifteen Air Medals, the Purple Heart, and several other decorations Recently entered plea bargain on felony charges of bribery, etc. etc. • Senator Jeff Sessions U.S. Army Reserves, 1973-1986 • Colin Powell. What are we to make of Powell? On the one hand, a long career as a military manager. On the other hand, accused of covering up the My Lai massacre. Back on that first hand, one of the seemingly sane voices in this administration when it comes to Iraq (or at least he used to be). On the other hand, a clear hypocrite ("I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed... managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...") And then there's his UN speech where he made all those claims regarding our "intelligence" and a lot of specific certainties regarding Saddam's WMDs ... all of which turned out to be so much moon dust. [note: I know from personal experience Powell is a liar, because I watched his testimony before Congress after Desert Storm and heard with my own ears when he told lies about the unit I served with ... Don't get me started.] • Representative Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), served in USMC in Vietnam; wounded in action. • George Herbert Walker Bush, pilot in WWII. Awarded Navy Cross. Shot down by the Japanese; lone survivor from the airplane's crew of 3. • Representative Sam R. Johnson, combat missions in both Korea and Vietnam, POW in Hanoi from April 1966 to February 1973 (don't ever run for president Sam, they'll spread rumors that you're crazy) • Senator Ted Stevens, R-AK, WW II pilot, two Distinguished Flying Crosses, two Air Medals, and the Yuan Hai medal awarded by the Republic of China. • Sen. John Warner, R-VA - Served in the Navy 1945-1946 as a RM3; reenlisted in the USMC 1950, 10 years service in Marine Corps Reserve, retired as Captain. • Congresswoman Heather Wilson, R-NM, served in the Air Force 1978-1989 • Former President Gerald Ford, served in the Navy, WWII • Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld - served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as an aviator and flight instructor. Also served as President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East while working for Bechtal Corp. and met with Saddam Hussein twice in 1983 and 1984. Sold Saddam the chemical plant used to manufacture the chemical weapons Saddam used against the Kurds and Iranian army during the Iran/Iraq war. • "B-1" Bob Dornan - avoided Korean War combat duty by enrolling in college acting classes (Orange County Weekly article). Enlisted AFTER the fighting was over in Korea. • Former President Ronald Reagan - due to poor eyesight, served in a noncombat role making movies for the Army in southern California during WWII. He later seems to have confused his role as an actor playing a tail gunner with the real thing. • Former Vice President Dan Quayle, avoided Vietnam service, got a slot in the journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard when the unit was at 150% capacity (although at least he showed up for his duty, unlike GWB). The way I heard the story, his daddy called a friend who called around and found there was a unit with a legit vacancy & no waiting list. Ol' Danny boy hied himself down there the same day and joined up. No strings pulled, no one "jumped over", no family influence ... • Former Senator Strom Thurmond - apparently believes, along with Trent Lott, that America should have been a segregated society. Still, he served. • Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was actually the "Liquor Officer"; a REMF. • Ollie North - Convicted in the Iran-Contra scandal, at least he served. • Charlton Heston - served in WWII, but went AWOL when Michael Moore asked him some tough questions. And last but not least: • Senator John McCain - POW. McCain's naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross. Why did the Bush campaign smear him so? And why did DEMOCRATIC Senators Max Cleland (D-GA), John Kerry (D-MA), Bob Kerrey (D-NE), and Chuck Robb (D-VA) (veterans all) come to his defense? >>>>>> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Why do republican chicken-hawks insist on making smear attacks against > Democratic VETERANS? The fact that he once wore the uniform has no effect whatsoever on the fact that he's become a nut-case weasel. Military service is not a magic bullet, or a get-out-of-jail-free card that dismisses anyone and everyone from anything they may say or do at any point in the future. That Gore couldn't win on coat-tails of a fairly popular President Clinton speaks to how he was/is perceived. Even Democrats had to wince a bit watching Gore in hte debates, as he put on a new "costume" for each showing. What a stiff puppet of a man Gore is. Who the heck actually know WHO Gore is? I don't think even Al knows... Cut and paste snipped. SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson >> >> No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > _won_ the presidency, there's no way in hell we'd be in Iraq today, and > that is a HUGE difference. Or Afghanistan either....... > niceparking@gmail.com wrote: > ??? If Al Gore had been voted president--oh wait, he was-- Actually, no, he wasn't. He didn't win enough states to get the electoral vote per the rules in place at the time, and it's been verified he lost Florida, anyway, so those electoral votes were never going to be his, regardless of how many recounts there would have been. Not that any of that matters to some with closed minds, of course. > if he'd > _won_ the presidency, there's no way in hell we'd be in Iraq today, > and that is a HUGE difference. >>>> Annika1980 wrote: >>>> Me neither! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com California is an entire state full of experts on that subject, we've had two of 'em as governors... SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > >>> Annika1980 wrote: > >>> Me neither! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No better or worse than being a B-movie film actor, I suppose. OTOH, the B-movie film actor, did actually get hisself elected; din't have to get daddy's lawyers to steal it for him. >>>>> Annika1980 wrote: >>>>> Me neither! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > OTOH, the B-movie film actor, did actually get hisself elected; din't > have to get daddy's lawyers to steal it for him. Why is it that when there's a close Democratic loss...it always a conspiracy...but when it's a close Republican loss...it's just a loss? SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson "Pudentame" <no.one@no.where.invalid> wrote in message > OTOH, the B-movie film actor, did actually get hisself elected; din't > have to get daddy's lawyers to steal it for him. You know, its statements like this that won Bush the election in 2004, and might very well win it for the Republicans in 2008. - I usually vote my common sense, but when angry enough, I have been known to vote for the wrong person just to spite the people who say dumb things like this...... > That_Rich wrote: > > Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) > > Dubya was a cheerleader. > How f*cked up is THAT. A visual I'd prefer not to have, thank you. TheDave? wrote: > > That_Rich wrote: > > > Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A visual I'd prefer not to have, thank you. I'll tell you waht's really f*cked up. I posted the original post in this thread by mistake ... it was intended for the golf newsgroup. I quickly realized my error and deleted it via google. But somehow, it didn't get deleted and this is now the 45th post in this thread. Now THAT's f'd up! >>> That_Rich wrote: >>>> Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it didn't get deleted and this is now the 45th post in this thread. > Now THAT's f'd up! Don't feel too bad... -My little gorilla image turned into a thread that is too long to count... SignatureImages (Plus Snaps & Grabs) by Mark² at: www.pbase.com/markuson > Annika1980 wrote: > > > > Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it didn't get deleted and this is now the 45th post in this thread. > Now THAT's f'd up! Now, that's funny. >Yeah, underage cheerleader obsession is more Clinton-esque. ;-) Dubya f.cked Iraq instead. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com The best thing about GDubya is that he can't run again. It's also the worst. SignatureSkip Middleton www.shadowcatcherimagery.com www.pbase.com/skipm > The best thing about GDubya is that he can't run again. It's also the > worst. Yep but we may get the Clinton's back. You remember the Clinton's don't you. They're the ones who couldn't remember anything until they wrote their books. <G> >> The best thing about GDubya is that he can't run again. It's also the >> worst. > > Yep but we may get the Clinton's back. You remember the Clinton's don't > you. They're the ones who couldn't remember anything until they wrote > their books. <G> No politician can remember anything (or publish a book) until the statute of limitation runs out...... >> The best thing about GDubya is that he can't run again. It's also the >> worst. Do you really think Hillary is electable? She's hated far and wide, and I really can't see that happening. > Yep but we may get the Clinton's back. You remember the Clinton's don't > you. They're the ones who couldn't remember anything until they wrote > their books. <G> |
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