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WHAT DEFINES ANY PARTICULAR MODEL OF A CAMERA "PROFESSIONAL"?
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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 11:44 GMT I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised an interesting question: What defines a professional camera? The people who were asked this question were photojournalists, professional wedding photographers, magazine photographers, etc. I'm just curious what the pros on this NG have to say. Thanks! Regards, Helen
Doug Payne - 06 Nov 2006 12:49 GMT > What defines a professional camera? The brain behind the viewfinder.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 13:01 GMT > > What defines a professional camera? > > The brain behind the viewfinder. LOL.......Very true and well put! :0) Thanks, Helen
jeremy - 06 Nov 2006 15:16 GMT >> What defines a professional camera? > > The brain behind the viewfinder. http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 15:28 GMT > >> What defines a professional camera? > > > > The brain behind the viewfinder. > > http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm Very interesting article, Jeremy. Thanks so much. Helen
Chris Loffredo - 06 Nov 2006 16:14 GMT >>> What defines a professional camera? >> The brain behind the viewfinder. > > http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm How sweet: It's Hero Worship...
Paul Furman - 06 Nov 2006 17:50 GMT >>>> What defines a professional camera? >> >> http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm > > How sweet: It's Hero Worship... Rockwell can be a jerk but that article is mostly right on target.
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jeremy - 06 Nov 2006 19:12 GMT >>>>> What defines a professional camera? >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rockwell can be a jerk but that article is mostly right on target. Lofredo can be such an a.shole at times!
Chris Loffredo - 06 Nov 2006 19:56 GMT >>>>>> What defines a professional camera? >>>> http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm >>> How sweet: It's Hero Worship... >> Rockwell can be a jerk but that article is mostly right on target. > > Lofredo can be such an a.shole at times! It's guaranteed if you keep quoting Ken Rockwell...
Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 00:52 GMT > >> What defines a professional camera? > > > > The brain behind the viewfinder. > > http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/great-camera.htm Ken seems to be shooting in jpeg mode as he seems pretty worried about adjusting color as he shoots. If he would learn to shoot in raw mode he could loose about half the adjustments he seems to think he needs.
Scott
Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 00:57 GMT > > >> What defines a professional camera? > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Scott Ah yes here it is
from Kens web page
"I take a lot of flack from tweakers because I, like other photographers, prefer to make my adjustments in-camera and use the JPGs directly. Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to spend my time making more photos. If you're the sort of person who likes to twiddle and redo than by all means raw is for you."
So the he feels a "good" camera should make it easy for him to keep tweaking the color in the camera, even though you can't tell much of anything from the cameras screen. The guy really should learn a bit more about raw and make the adjustment where they make sense, when you can actually look at what the colors are going to look like.
Scott
Chris Loffredo - 07 Nov 2006 01:10 GMT >>>>> What defines a professional camera? >>>> The brain behind the viewfinder. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > more about raw and make the adjustment where they make sense, when you > can actually look at what the colors are going to look like. Three? ;-)
Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 01:12 GMT > >>>>> What defines a professional camera? > >>>> The brain behind the viewfinder. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Three? > ;-) Are you referring to how many times we have agreed on anything?
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Chris Loffredo - 07 Nov 2006 01:16 GMT >>>>>>> What defines a professional camera? >>>>>> The brain behind the viewfinder. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> ;-) > Are you referring to how many times we have agreed on anything? Yup!
Paul Furman - 07 Nov 2006 16:08 GMT >>>>>What defines a professional camera? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>adjusting color as he shoots. If he would learn to shoot in raw mode he >>could loose about half the adjustments he seems to think he needs. I like RAW tweaking but this point is still valid for professional quality it's still better to get exposure and WB correct in the field. And pro reporters need to wire the jpegs swiftly to the agency... or may use jpeg to speed up/lengthen burst mode.
> Ah yes here it is > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Scott
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jeremy - 07 Nov 2006 16:23 GMT >Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, > but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to > spend my time making more photos. If you're the sort of person who > likes to twiddle and redo than by all means raw is for you." He makes it clear that he is not being critical of those that prefer to tweak RAW files.
Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 16:36 GMT > >Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, > > but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > He makes it clear that he is not being critical of those that prefer to > tweak RAW files. Sure he is being critical of of people who shoot raw, saying that he would rather spend time shooting photos then tweaking raw images. He clearly does not know what he is talking about since it is far easy to get the color right on your computer then in the camera. He makes it sound like if you shoot raw you have to adjust each photo on at a time, you no more need to do this then change you camera setting between every shoot. I have to wonder if Ken has every used a decent raw converter.
And the problem with Ken's workflow is you end up with photos that look like this http://www.kenrockwell.com/france/index.htm
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Colin_D - 07 Nov 2006 22:29 GMT >>> Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, >>> but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > every shoot. I have to wonder if Ken has every used a decent raw > converter. Reading between Ken's lines, by his saying "I get the look I need with JPGs" he is saying that jpegs are good enough for him. The essence for him is to wire the images with little or no work before sending, which he can't do with RAW images. Even with an automatic converter like DxO, it takes time - about 40 seconds per image from a 6MP camera on a 3.00 GHz computer - and longer on most laptops.
He appears to be denigratory of RAW users, the words 'twiddle' and 'redo' suggest he thinks they are somewhat anal about their images. It's horses for courses. His course is so-so images and much speed; my course is as good an image as I can get. Never the twain shall meet.
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Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 22:38 GMT > >>> Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, > >>> but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Colin D. Here is the part that makes me think he really has no idea about what he is doing, an item he believes his camera must have.
" Must include instant access to fine tuning (+/-). These trims are critical to getting exactly the right look. You can get away without trims if you have instant access to WB in degrees Kelvin. "
Now you have to ask how he is judging the effects of his on camera color adjustments. Is is trying to jugde by the screen on the back of the camera. Note he wasn "instant access" to the fine tuning which would lead one to believe he is messing with this adjustment in the field.
And of course looking at Ken's photos the colors don't look like anything I see in real life, but then I never took acid.
Scott
Colin_D - 08 Nov 2006 00:39 GMT >>>>> Others prefer to spend even more time later twiddling in raw, >>>>> but that's not for me. I get the look I need with JPGs and prefer to [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Scott Is he saying that WB is the only 'trim' he wants, and he wants some sort of WB instant adjustment while he's shooting? he must have great faith in his ability to judge WB on a camera screen with no reference available. And, as you say, the shots you provided the link to are way off WB. Say, maybe that's what he really wants - to be able to generate these false colors in the camera by screwing with the WB, while we are naively thinking he wants *accurate* WB. You live and learn ...
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Scott W - 07 Nov 2006 16:26 GMT > > I like RAW tweaking but this point is still valid for professional > quality it's still better to get exposure and WB correct in the field. > And pro reporters need to wire the jpegs swiftly to the agency... or may > use jpeg to speed up/lengthen burst mode. But a pro level camera has no problem with buffer depth when shooting raw mode.
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Kinon O'Cann - 06 Nov 2006 12:52 GMT >I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Mostly depends on who's holding it.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 12:56 GMT > >I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mostly depends on who's holding it. You know, a lot of the photographers said that same thing! It's the photographer not the camera. Thanks for your time.
Chris Loffredo - 06 Nov 2006 12:56 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised > an interesting question: What defines a professional camera? The > people who were asked this question were photojournalists, professional > wedding photographers, magazine photographers, etc. I'm just curious > what the pros on this NG have to say. Thanks! Usually it's an emphasis on reliability and durability. In some cases also flexibility.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 12:59 GMT > > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Usually it's an emphasis on reliability and durability. In some cases > also flexibility. Yes, there was a big emphasis on flexibility and durability. A lot of these guys go through "hell and high water" with their trusty cameras and they need something very reliable. Great point. Thanks
Richard Polhill - 06 Nov 2006 13:37 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came > in the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Some manufacturers seem to feel that stamping 'professional' on the side of their products imparts some sort of enhanced value. It always makes me laugh; especially on a consumer item such as a television. Normally seems to indicate the opposite.
I suppose whether an item - in this case a camera - could be regarded as professional grade or as a professional tool really comes down to the requirements of professionals.
Is the equipment capable of continuous daily use? Is it robust enough to put up with the rigours of professional use without failure? Will support, spares and service for it still be available for a sufficient period for the initial investment to be repaid? Is it good enough?
To that end I know of several photographers that used Zenit cameras in extreme locations because of their robustness, reliability, ability to work in extreme conditions, and cheapness. They can afford to pack three or four bodies for the price of one advanced camera, meaning that if one gets lost or broken they can continue shooting. The M42 mount means they can use Zeiss lenses also.
To that I can add that, typically, consumer grade products are built down to a price, often adding features to compare favourably with other items on the market at the same price. Professional grade equipment, on the other hand, tends to be built UP to the price; it is made as good as it can be without becoming prohibitively expensive. Then features can often be bolted on if required rather than just adding to a long feature list.
This is true for almost anything that constitutes a tool, used by somebody for a living.
Amateurs often do not need such ruggedness and reliability - they are not using it all day every day and their livelihood does not depend on it - so can often choose more wisely than just buying the professional's choice "cos it's the best."
What program was it, by the way?
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson - 06 Nov 2006 14:11 GMT > Some manufacturers seem to feel that stamping 'professional' on the side > of their products imparts some sort of enhanced value. It always makes > me laugh; especially on a consumer item such as a television. Normally > seems to indicate the opposite. It's also cultural. For example, in Japan, a professional camera does not have a built in flash.
What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros.
Geoff.
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TheDave© - 06 Nov 2006 18:33 GMT > Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too > expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros. I always thought "prosumer" was an appeal to the snobbish amateur with extra cash.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 06 Nov 2006 18:54 GMT > "prosumer" Doesn't really apply to photography since amateurs can/do buy the same equipment professionals do.
It makes sense with video, where 'professional' cameras go for a quarter million a pop.
The niche is video equipment that is 'good enough' for commercial use but cheap enough that well healed dilettantes like to muck about with it. Schools and students are big buyers.
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Jan Keirse - 06 Nov 2006 19:36 GMT > What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too > expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros. This is not necessarily true. I have a Nikon D70s. Anything less would most certainly make me feel cripled (I know because I've worked with less for a very long time). When I bought the camera in September 2005 the alternatives where the real pro camera's which would have been overkill (the D200 was not available at that time and is probably the right camera for me).
Why is the D70s prosumer and not really pro or consumer? For a regular consumer it's rediculously expensive and large. Most consumers would either not buy it or buy it but never take it with them because it is either too large or could get damaged. For many pro users it just isn't reliable enough. In the first week of May 2006 I shot about 3000 images before friday (during 2 concerts and 2 studio shoots). On friday a 3 days musical festival started where I had a press accreditation. By sunday evening I had made about 7000 more images (yeah I know, too much, I'm learning to shoot less, but if you look through your viewfinder 18 hours a day that's not even that much ;-)). At about 18u00 the camera died (it took Nikon 3 months to repair :-(). I'm pretty confident that a pro camera would not die from an unusually busy week and even more that it wouldn't take 3 months to repair or replace or at leased provide a replacement camera! Funny sidenote: I had my camera back the first day of the next big 3 day festival where i had a press badge :-).
If you are interested to see the tiny fraction that eventually was selected out of the 7000 pictures, look here:
http://www.folkroddels.be/artikels/25795.html http://www.folkroddels.be/artikels/25895.html http://www.folkroddels.be/artikels/25897.html
and for those who like the public
http://www.folkroddels.be/artikels/25898.html
After that I started shooting raw. Forces you to cool down ;-)
Kind regards,
Jan
Bob Hickey - 07 Nov 2006 00:42 GMT > > What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too > > expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Kind regards, > Jan The B/W is outstanding here. I really never saw B/W digital came out that well Bob Hickey
Jan Keirse - 07 Nov 2006 19:38 GMT >> If you are interested to see the tiny fraction that eventually was > selected out [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The B/W is outstanding here. I really never saw B/W digital came out that > well Bob Hickey Wow, thanks!
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meboo - 07 Nov 2006 02:09 GMT > > What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too > > expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Jan meboo - 07 Nov 2006 02:10 GMT > > What always made me laugh was the term "prosumer". To me it meant too > > expensive for consumers, not good enough for pros. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Jan these pictures are beautiful
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 06 Nov 2006 14:20 GMT > > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came > > in the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > -- > invalid = com I'm sorry I can't be of help to you. I came in the middle of the show and was called away at the very end of the program. As a result I never saw the name of the program. I do know that it was on PBS. The emphasis of the show was the professional photographer and the equpiment they use. All of them said basically what you and the others stated. A camera that can endure the daily wear and tear, and if it meets the needs of the photographer. Of course they also said it's the person behind the camera. They should have interviewed the pros on this NG , as your statements are dead-on. Thanks for that. Helen
Simon Stanmore - 06 Nov 2006 18:32 GMT The quality that almost all pro's want in a camera is reliability. Other features/qualities depend on an individuals requirements and personal preferences -- Simon http://www.simonstanmore.com
>I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Mike - 06 Nov 2006 20:38 GMT My Mamiya C220 medium-format camera says "Professional" right on the front :-)
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> I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Alan Browne - 07 Nov 2006 04:06 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Rugged, reliable, controlable. Availability of rentals (lenses, other accessories).
But most here are amateurs, not pros. So we want more than what a lot of pros would be satisfied with.
Chris Loffredo - 07 Nov 2006 08:22 GMT > So we want more than what a lot > of pros would be satisfied with. Are you royalty or do you just have a tapeworm?
Alan Browne - 12 Nov 2006 15:46 GMT >> So we want more than what a lot of pros would be satisfied with. > > Are you royalty or do you just have a tapeworm? Are you an idiot or do you have Tourette's syndrome?
Pudentame - 18 Nov 2006 22:21 GMT Generally it's a rugged camera that has the necessary controls to suit a professional. You can get it repaired almost anywhere if you break it. And you can rent compatible equipment (i.e. lenses, bodies ...) in most any major metropolitan location world wide.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 07 Nov 2006 07:42 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Thanks guys for your opinion! It's very much appreciated! Regards, Helen
Lionel - 07 Nov 2006 15:49 GMT >I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in >the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised >an interesting question: What defines a professional camera? The >people who were asked this question were photojournalists, professional >wedding photographers, magazine photographers, etc. I'm just curious >what the pros on this NG have to say. Thanks! Any camera used by photographers to earn a living.
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jeremy - 07 Nov 2006 16:16 GMT > Any camera used by photographers to earn a living. That MAY be the academic answer, but I believe that most people equate "Professional" with "Superior." I have read about pros that have been shooting on Holgas. Somehow I cannot envision a Holga ever being thought of as "professional," despite the fact that it does meet your definition of the word.
A lot of professional photographers shot Nikons, rather than the Pentaxes that I have owned and used. I never thought of my Pentax stuff as being really "Professional," because pros generally steered clear of Pentax and because Pentax seemed to have abandoned the really serious 35mm niche once they retired the LX. If anything, I'd say that Pentax made "professional" gear in MF, but they were deficient in the 35mm line.
Another factor that I would rate as highly significant is the availability of a full line of lenses and accessories, so as not to leave any holes in the line-up. That criterion would, in my opinion, eliminate a line like the old Mamiya-Sekor 35mm cameras from being considered "professional." Probably Minolta as well, although I admit that I don't know a lot about the Minolta line.
Even though professionals might use those brands, they do not have well-rounded lines of accessories and lenses as do Canon or Nikon.
A third criterion would be the availability of rentals. If a pro needs a specific lens, there are only a couple of brands where he can expect to be able to rent them.
Of course, none of these criteria are real issues for amateurs. We are fortunate that we can use a much broader range of equipment, because our requirements are much more modest than those of professionals. I, for example, don't have to worry about having equipment that can be used in the arctic one week, and in the Sahara Desert the next.
Philip Homburg - 08 Nov 2006 00:27 GMT >Of course, none of these criteria are real issues for amateurs. We are >fortunate that we can use a much broader range of equipment, because our >requirements are much more modest than those of professionals. I, for >example, don't have to worry about having equipment that can be used in the >arctic one week, and in the Sahara Desert the next. That sort of seems to imply that the average professional does have to worry about this issue.
In my opinion, asking about a professional camera is very similar to asking about a professional car.
Yes some cars will be more popular with people who have to drive a lot while making a living.
However, there will be a lot of overlap between amateur use of cars and professional use.
It's the same thing with cameras. Different photographers will have different demands.
A camera that works well for one professional may be useless to another.
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Richard Polhill - 08 Nov 2006 09:07 GMT > However, there will be a lot of overlap between amateur use of cars > and professional use. But very few people choose to drive either a Transit or a single seat racer as a daily driver.
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Philip Homburg - 08 Nov 2006 12:33 GMT >> However, there will be a lot of overlap between amateur use of cars >> and professional use. >> >But very few people choose to drive either a Transit or a single seat racer >as a daily driver. There are many who would like to get paid to drive a single seater :-) For tax reasons, vans with four seats were relatively popular over here.
Pickup trucks are quite popular in some parts of the world.
On other other end of the spectrum, the fire brigade in Amsterdam has at least one Smart.
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Bandicoot - 07 Nov 2006 16:21 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came > in the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised > an interesting question: What defines a professional camera? The > people who were asked this question were photojournalists, > professional wedding photographers, magazine photographers, etc. > I'm just curious what the pros on this NG have to say. Thanks! This is one of those questions without a straightforward answer. The strict answer must be "any camera that a professional photographer uses in the course of their business". But that answer isn't really very helpful: I use a wide variety of cameras for different purposes, and some of them are decidedly 'amateur' in terms of the market that their original designers targeted. This is especially true when, for example, I am travelling very light, when I need a backup body but don't want/need the backup to be as heavy/bulky as the main camera, when I need to be unobtrusive, or when working in such conditions that the camera stands a good chance of getting wrecked.
Some camera makers make bodies that are intended for this sort of role - second string cameras for professionals - but which also make first rate cameras in their own right for other users. Nikon's F100 might be seen as an example of this, where a lot of people used it as a backup to an F5. Galen Rowell used to use some of the really lightweight cameras from the very bottom of the Nikon range, as well as his F5s and F100s, simply because sometimes the weight was the most important factor. The Pentax MZ-3 is another interesting example of this: it is basically a camera identical to the MZ-5n, which is a good body but with an amateur target market: the MZ-3 differs only in its shutter, a model with a higher flash synch. speed and - the critical point - rated for a much longer life cycle. Most people wouldn't need that and would be very happy with the MZ-5n, but the MZ-3 makes a very nice lightweight/backup body for someone who's main body is, say, an MZ-S.
So, are these lightweight professional cameras, or more than usually rugged/capable amateur cameras? Does it matter?!
I think there are just a few key things that all bodies need before they could be called 'professional', and then rather more other characteristics that are usual but maybe not essential:
Essential:
~ serious durability and (even more so) reliability;
~ good parts availability and service backup;
~ the ability to take good quality lenses.
Usual:
~ provision of key 'controls' over exposure etc. in an easy to access form, coupled with an absence of all the gimmicks and 'shooting modes' that sell cameras in the amateur market but that professionals generally don't need (and don't want);
~ lack of 'glitzy' styling;
~ a range of 'accessories' (especially in the 35mm SLR area) to add versatility - interchangeable finders, screens, motor drives/boosters, power packs, etc.;
~ in SLRs, a good viewfinder with near to 100% coverage;
~ good handling/ergonomics;
~ ready availability of replacement bodies and less frequently used lenses/accessories in the hire market.
Sometimes a camera might be called professional because it is so specialised (a Silvestri wide-angle camera, for example) or because it is so 'pared down' to the essentials (Fuji's meter-less 6x7 rangefinders, for example) that few amateurs would be attracted to it.
In the end though, I suppose it is about what market the camera designer was targeting when they spec.ed and priced the design, because lots of cameras that were designed for amateurs fulfil particular roles for professionals, and lots of serious amateurs are very happy users of cameras that were targeted at a professional market. And the camera companies know this, and exploit it, to improve sales in both directions.
Peter
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> What defines a professional camera? Anything not sold at K-Mart.
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AnOvercomer 02 - 07 Nov 2006 23:56 GMT Hey Helen, You can read about Canon SLRs, film and digital, at link below. http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fcategoryid=111
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Richard Polhill - 08 Nov 2006 09:09 GMT > Hey Helen, > You can read about Canon SLRs, film and digital, at link below. > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ProductCatIndexAct&fca > tegoryid=111 So? Your point being?
> For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that > whosoever believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. > John 3:16 Ditto?
An evangelist for Canon and the canon? How ecumenical.
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Anthony - 08 Nov 2006 04:47 GMT It seems to me that for Canon, professional = photojournalist
The 1 series professional cameras are robust, weather-sealed, reliable and simple.
(a) No internal flash because professionals are supposed to own external flashes. (b) No internal flash means viewfinder can be made bigger. (c) Weather sealed because photojournalists may need to shoot in rain. (d) Metal alloy bodies because photojournalist may need to cover rallies, disasters and wars and should have camera that will not break if photographer trips or needs to jump into sewer. (e) Simple because it has none of the picture modes like portrait, night, etc. Pro's are supposed to know what they need. (f) High speed frame rate because photojournalist may need to take picture of missile hitting a building. (g) etc., etc., etc.
I once covered a religious parade at noon where I soaked my consumer-level camera in sweat, almost tore away my external flash (imagine someone elbowing your external flash while it is connected to the hotshoe) and scuffed my camera as I angled for a better view. It made me appreciate why some people would really want a "professional" camera body.
Gordon Moat - 12 Nov 2006 20:16 GMT > I watched something very interesting on tv over the weekend. I came in > the middle of the program so I didn't catch all of it. But it raised [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Regards, > Helen Quite simply a camera that generates profits. That can also imply many aspects, such as reliability, ergonomics, flexibilty, etc.
Other than that, some manufacturers have a marketing push to define certain models as professional. Usually, with Nikon and Canon, that only applies to their highest priced cameras.
Many professionals use gear somewhat below the top level. It has been stated, and observed, by many people that some enthusiasts have better (or newer) gear than many professionals. Another thing to consider is that it would be the rare professional who only took one camera body and one lens to a shoot; that back-up gear is essential to generating income, because no matter how reliable one might think their gear to be, sh*t happens.
Ciao!
Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com>
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