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CANONET QL17 GIII

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 02 Nov 2006 16:34 GMT
I learned about the Canonet QL17 GIII from a very
special friend/teacher, and I am so very grateful
for that. Sadly, I have no contact with him and as
a result cannot learn, or ask technical questions anymore.
Does anyone know the best way to clean the lens on
my Canonet QL17?  I've heard lens fluid, but which
one?
Helen  

"Only you.....s i b w y i l, a chore w y n".
Scott Schuckert - 03 Nov 2006 00:31 GMT
> I learned about the Canonet QL17 GIII from a very
> special friend/teacher, and I am so very grateful
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> my Canonet QL17?  I've heard lens fluid, but which
> one?

This should not be rocket science. As long as you're only planning to
clean the outer surfaces, any commercial fluid is fine. Kodak makes a
good one, widely available.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 03 Nov 2006 01:40 GMT
<helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the best way to clean the lens on
> my Canonet QL17?

Windex works very well and cleans with very little wiping
action.  It is not the fluid that damages a lens but the
scrubbing - the less scrubbing the less damage.

Spritz some Windex on a Q-tip and gently clean the lens.
If it doesn't come clean don't work at it, get another
Q-tip and do it again, and again - sometimes it can take
a half-dozen very gentle wipes.

Pick up a micro-fiber lens cleaner the next time you
are in a camera store.  Micro-fiber lens cloths can
also be had at eyeglass stores now that most
eyeglasses come with anti-reflection coatings.

Do not use any cleaning cloth that says 'silicon' on
it or that came with a Japanese electronic something-or-
other.

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 03:04 GMT
> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
> n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

Thank you kindly for your advice.  In all honesty, I'm a little nervous
to use Windex or any other chemicals on the lens.  I thought it might
destroy the coating.
I'm probably just being too paranoid.......lol.
Thanks again.
Helen
That_Rich - 03 Nov 2006 00:44 GMT
>I learned about the Canonet QL17 GIII from a very
>special friend/teacher, and I am so very grateful
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>
> "Only you.....s i b w y i l, a chore w y n".

Use a !!!!!!CLEAN!!!!!! micro fiber cloth and some of your breath to
fog the lens. Be very gentle and go in a circular pattern. Remember to
first blow any particles off the lens with an air bulb... DO NOT use
compressed air. Frankly, if the lens is taking sharp, clear
pictures... leave it alone. I have a lens or two over twenty years old
which *may* have been cleaned once or twice. The secret is to learn
not to dirty them.  :)

Good luck,

RP©
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 01:18 GMT
> >I learned about the Canonet QL17 GIII from a very
> >special friend/teacher, and I am so very grateful
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>
> RP©

Thanks guys.  I've seen all the lens cleaning fluids in the camera
shops, but needed your opinions.  I will most certainly use a very
clean micro fiber cloth.  I've heard not to use compressed air, not
sure why.  But I have one of the rubber ones that you use manually.
Thanks so much for your help.  
Regards,
Helen
That_Rich - 03 Nov 2006 01:25 GMT
>Thanks guys.  I've seen all the lens cleaning fluids in the camera
>shops, but needed your opinions.  I will most certainly use a very
>clean micro fiber cloth.  I've heard not to use compressed air, not
>sure why.  But I have one of the rubber ones that you use manually.
>Thanks so much for your help.  

Unless you have a buildup of oil or something on the lens, I would
suggest staying away from lens cleaning fluid.

BTW: I also own a few GIII's... great cameras.

RP©
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 01:31 GMT
> >Thanks guys.  I've seen all the lens cleaning fluids in the camera
> >shops, but needed your opinions.  I will most certainly use a very
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>
> RP©

Oh, I know........... they are legends in their own right.
But you're right.  I think I'll leave the lens be.  I don't see dirt on
it, I just thought it should be cleaned sometimes.  I've had mine now
for 2 years.  Thanks Rich.
jeremy - 03 Nov 2006 03:13 GMT
<helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> But you're right.  I think I'll leave the lens be.  I don't see dirt on
> it, I just thought it should be cleaned sometimes.  I've had mine now
> for 2 years.  Thanks Rich.

You just "thought" it should be cleaned "sometimes?"  But you don't see any
"dirt" on it?

Are we in the Twilight Zone, or what?
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 03:33 GMT
> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Are we in the Twilight Zone, or what?

Lighten up Jeremy! Aren't these newsgroups for people to ask questions
and learn whether they be silly to you or not?
A lot of dirt and particles are invisible to the human eye. I only
thought of the lens needing an occasional cleaning due to this.
That_Rich - 03 Nov 2006 03:44 GMT
>> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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>A lot of dirt and particles are invisible to the human eye. I only
>thought of the lens needing an occasional cleaning due to this.

Many people will tell you not to use a UV or skylight filter on the
GIII because it will affect the metering, I've found that to not be
true. I keep a good UV filter on my Canonet and the meter works fine.
Never once needed to clean that lens other than the day I bought it.

RP©
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 03:49 GMT
> >> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> RP©

Yes a lot of people use UV or skylight filter just for the protection
of the lens, not only to cut out UV rays.  The size is hard to find,
but I'm sure one can be found on ebay.  Great advice!
That_Rich - 03 Nov 2006 04:23 GMT
>> >> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>
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>of the lens, not only to cut out UV rays.  The size is hard to find,
>but I'm sure one can be found on ebay.  Great advice!

The sensor for the meter on the Canonet is located inside the front of
the lens just above the first lens element. *Rumor* has it that any
filter will mess with the metering. I've never had a problem with a
UV. It takes a 48mm filter which is easy to find as any.

RP©
William Graham - 03 Nov 2006 05:02 GMT
>> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Are we in the Twilight Zone, or what?

There is dirt on any lens....Even brand new ones straight from the
factory....The question is, how large a particle of dirt does one have to
worry about?...If you get an electron microscope and inspect the surface of
the lens elements with it, you will be horrified. the same thing is true of
your scanned images....If you blow them up far enough, you will see
particles of mould and dust on them, but you can spend your life cleaning
them up from things that will never cause any problems......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 05:24 GMT
> >> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
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> particles of mould and dust on them, but you can spend your life cleaning
> them up from things that will never cause any problems....

Yes, that's true about not seeing all the dirt on the surface of the
lens, and prints for that matter. I'm just relieved to know that it
doesn't cause problems.  I was told a while back that dust causes
fungus, so I thought I would keep the lens clean as much as possible.
But in doing so, I'd probably cause damage as well.  Thanks Bill.
Helen
William Graham - 03 Nov 2006 06:12 GMT
>> >> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>
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> But in doing so, I'd probably cause damage as well.  Thanks Bill.
> Helen

The best way to see dirt and dust in your lens is to look at a blue light
with it, or inspect it under a blue light...I don't know why it is, but blue
seems to bring out the "best" in dirt....:^)
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 09:12 GMT
> >> >> <helensilverburg@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>
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> with it, or inspect it under a blue light...I don't know why it is, but blue
> seems to bring out the "best" in dirt....:^)

Lol.......thanks Bill!
Bandicoot - 03 Nov 2006 01:36 GMT
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> Thanks guys.  I've seen all the lens cleaning fluids in the camera
> shops, but needed your opinions.  I will most certainly use a very
> clean micro fiber cloth.  I've heard not to use compressed air, not
> sure why.  But I have one of the rubber ones that you use manually.

Compressed air from a compressor almost always contains oil.  From a can
should be clean, but you must be very careful to keep the can upright
otherwise you can spray out some of the propellant, which at best messes up
the lens and at worst, since the sudden expansion makes it very cold, can
crack the glass through thermal shock.  Also, canned air is a powerful blast
and can be as likely to blow dust into the lens mount as to remove it.

The rubber bulb thing is a much safer bet.  I hold the lens upside down and
blow the air up at it, the dust that is loosened is then more inclined to
fall away from the surface rather than get blown into the edges of the
mount.

Peter
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 03 Nov 2006 02:52 GMT
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>
> Peter

Thanks for the advice Peter. I had no idea that compressed air contains
oil. Your info/advice is very interesting.  Yes, I do the same too, I
hold the lens upside down so that any dust or particles are inclined to
fall away from the lens.
Kind thanks to all of you.
Helen
 
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