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mogh baba - 02 Nov 2006 10:59 GMT
I have taken this picture with flash and not used long shutter speed.
The camera: Nikon D2x, lens: Sigma 18+50 f2.8.
This is a 100 % portion of the image.
Even this portion is supposed to be the focused area of the picture,
the olives are not sharp. Have I wrong focus or the camera is shaked
under exposure?
thanks,

Mojtaba

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2dria03
Richard Polhill - 02 Nov 2006 11:39 GMT
> I have taken this picture with flash and not used long shutter speed.
> The camera: Nikon D2x, lens: Sigma 18+50 f2.8.
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> under exposure?
> thanks,

Either your camera has chosen to focus on the wrong thing or the lens isn't
capable of focussing so close.

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Väinö Louekari - 02 Nov 2006 14:04 GMT
>>I have taken this picture with flash and not used long shutter speed.
>>The camera: Nikon D2x, lens: Sigma 18+50 f2.8.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Either your camera has chosen to focus on the wrong thing or the lens isn't
> capable of focussing so close.

Even the backgroung is unsharp, so probably Your lens can not focus even
that close. Your camera should warn You if it can not focus, were You
focusing manually?

Väinö Louekari
Richard Polhill - 02 Nov 2006 14:22 GMT
> Even the backgroung is unsharp, so probably Your lens can not focus even
> that close. Your camera should warn You if it can not focus, were You
> focusing manually?

It appears that there is a narrow plane of focus visible on the
table top somewhere between the forks and the stainless steel
background, but the posted picture is of such low fidelity it is hard to
say.

That lens is capable of focussing down to 28cm, but I believe that'll
only be at the 18mm end, not the 50mm end, and I suspect he was using
the other end.

He probably needs a macro lens fo rthis type of shot, something capable
of greater then 1:5 magnification. And he probably needs to focus
manually, or at least learn how to get the AF to focus correctly in what
appears to be low light, and also use a smaller f/stop, say f/16 to
increase his depth of field.

Rich
mogh baba - 02 Nov 2006 15:35 GMT
>> Even the backgroung is unsharp, so probably Your lens can not focus even
>> that close. Your camera should warn You if it can not focus, were You
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>background, but the posted picture is of such low fidelity it is hard to
>say.

I can send the whole picture, if it helps. I don't know in which
format I shall do that it shoews the focus problem.
I can save and send in png and tiff. thanks for your attention

>That lens is capable of focussing down to 28cm, but I believe that'll
>only be at the 18mm end, not the 50mm end, and I suspect he was using
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>manually, or at least learn how to get the AF to focus correctly in what
>appears to be low light

perhaps you said it. I am used to manual focus

Mogh

> and also use a smaller f/stop, say f/16 to
>increase his depth of field.
>
>Rich
Richard Polhill - 02 Nov 2006 15:43 GMT
> I can send the whole picture, if it helps.

Best not. Can't post binaries here and I don't really want a 8MP photo sent
to me. :-)

> perhaps you said it. I am used to manual focus

So am I. Never got on with any AF systems and can focus pretty quickly
manually.

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mogh baba - 02 Nov 2006 15:52 GMT
>> I can send the whole picture, if it helps.
>
>Best not. Can't post binaries here and I don't really want a 8MP photo sent
>to me. :-)

hehe, the original file is about 129 mb. but don't be afraid. I meant
a small version to the same site as the cutted version not here nor to
you.

take care
Scott W - 02 Nov 2006 16:06 GMT
> >> I can send the whole picture, if it helps.
> >
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> a small version to the same site as the cutted version not here nor to
> you.
How on earth do you get 129 MB out of a D2X?  I would have thought that
even as a 16 bit/color tiff image it would have been more like 73 MB.

In any even for evaluating sharpness a jpeg does just fine and the file
really does not need to be any larger then about 5 MB.

Scott  

Scott
Mojtaba - 02 Nov 2006 23:03 GMT
>> >> I can send the whole picture, if it helps.
>> >
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>How on earth do you get 129 MB out of a D2X?  I would have thought that
>even as a 16 bit/color tiff image it would have been more like 73 MB.

Sorry, I was not precise. You are right. The original RAW (NEF) file
does not exceed 59 mb. The file I referred to was th econverted file
(PSD) version.

Tommorow I will send a JPG file to site.

Mojtaba

>In any even for evaluating sharpness a jpeg does just fine and the file
>really does not need to be any larger then about 5 MB.
>
>Scott  
>
>Scott
mogh baba - 02 Nov 2006 15:29 GMT
>>>I have taken this picture with flash and not used long shutter speed.
>>>The camera: Nikon D2x, lens: Sigma 18+50 f2.8.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>that close. Your camera should warn You if it can not focus, were You
>focusing manually?

No, it was autofocus

mogh

>Väinö Louekari
Mark² - 05 Nov 2006 23:01 GMT
> I have taken this picture with flash and not used long shutter speed.
> The camera: Nikon D2x, lens: Sigma 18+50 f2.8.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=2dria03

At 2.8, it's possible this portion of the frame is simply beyond the depth
of field (depth of focus) allowed at that aperture.  You don't indicate if
this is the portion of the frame you focussed on...  If not, then I suspect
it's a DOF issue.  You also did not indicate the shutter speed...

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