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DON'T TURN YOUR BACK ON THE 20D !

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Annika1980 - 20 Oct 2006 23:59 GMT
The 20D always works great behind the scenes.

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Kinon O'cann - 21 Oct 2006 00:10 GMT
I pity the fool who gets rolled by that really big tide on the left.

Man, cheerleaders ain't what they used to be.

> The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/68884552
Frank ess - 21 Oct 2006 02:17 GMT
> I pity the fool who gets rolled by that really big tide on the left.

You don't like the "muffin" look?

> Man, cheerleaders ain't what they used to be.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be ...

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>> The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/68884552
uw wayne - 21 Oct 2006 02:34 GMT
> I pity the fool who gets rolled by that really big tide on the left.
>
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> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/68884552

After she sees herself plastered all over the web, she will alter her
habits and probably end up with a drop dead figure.
Kinon O'cann - 21 Oct 2006 03:09 GMT
>> I pity the fool who gets rolled by that really big tide on the left.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> After she sees herself plastered all over the web, she will alter her
> habits and probably end up with a drop dead figure.

If she keeps eating, she'll have a figure that will cause her to drop dead.

I'm hoping for a drop dead figure, but not holding my breath. She knows what
she looks like, and must be comfortable with it.
Annika1980 - 21 Oct 2006 03:15 GMT
> If she keeps eating, she'll have a figure that will cause her to drop dead.
>
> I'm hoping for a drop dead figure, but not holding my breath. She knows what
> she looks like, and must be comfortable with it.

Down in Alabama where she's from, that's what they call "good breeding
stock."
That_Rich - 21 Oct 2006 03:29 GMT
>Down in Alabama where she's from, that's what they call "good breeding
>stock."

Have you ever been to Wisconsin?
Now theres some healthy women.

RP©
uw wayne - 21 Oct 2006 04:08 GMT
> > If she keeps eating, she'll have a figure that will cause her to drop dead.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Down in Alabama where she's from, that's what they call "good breeding
> stock."
Breeding stock? It's a competitive world, especially for affection.
When she's in her twenties her competition to breed will be the gal to
her right. Unfortunately charm, personality, intellect, and character
will be secondary to overall looks. Say it ain't so guys?
Nicholas O. Lindan - 21 Oct 2006 14:06 GMT
> > Down in Alabama where she's from, that's what they call "good breeding
> > stock."
> Breeding stock? It's a competitive world

Low weight makes for poor fertility.  Go ask a farmer about
breeding from skinny animals.

> Unfortunately charm, personality, intellect, and character
> will be secondary to overall looks. Say it ain't so guys?

It ain't so.  The fashion plate isn't going to raise a large
family -- ewww, stretch marks!  She will move to Vegas or
Hollywood and die single and without children.

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Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 22:22 GMT
> It ain't so.  The fashion plate isn't going to raise a large
> family -- ewww, stretch marks!  She will move to Vegas or
> Hollywood and die single and without children.
                                                  in the rain, alone.
m II - 25 Oct 2006 03:26 GMT
>> It ain't so.  The fashion plate isn't going to raise a large
>> family -- ewww, stretch marks!  She will move to Vegas or
>> Hollywood and die single and without children.
>                                                   in the rain, alone.

Quick! Someone over feed that poor wasting away soon-to-be-stray!
Calories show you CARE!

mike
Kinon O'cann - 21 Oct 2006 15:18 GMT
>> > If she keeps eating, she'll have a figure that will cause her to drop
>> > dead.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> her right. Unfortunately charm, personality, intellect, and character
> will be secondary to overall looks. Say it ain't so guys?

It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to physical
beauty, whether we like it or not. Hey, it's not my fault!
Nicholas O. Lindan - 21 Oct 2006 19:25 GMT
> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to physical
> beauty, whether we like it or
> not.

You are hardwired to mate something - for most it is
female, for some it is a male, for some it is a shoe...

The definition of a desirable female, male or shoe is societal:
http://212.227.92.102/img/5171/wm/pd742827.jpg
http://62.233.33.215/0/23/55/99/fevrier-2006/gay-leather-cuir.jpg
http://www.jrgach.com/2005/05/shoe.jpg

> Hey, it's not my fault!

"Some people claim there's a woman to blame,
But I know, it's my own damn fault.
Wasting away again in JohnyWalkerVille ..."

                           J. Buffet

[It's too damn cold for a Margarita]

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Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 22:24 GMT
> http://www.jrgach.com/2005/05/shoe.jpg

Pervert! Now, if the shoe were black with a nice ankle strap, that would
be something else...

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Frank ess - 22 Oct 2006 02:24 GMT
>> http://www.jrgach.com/2005/05/shoe.jpg
>
> Pervert! Now, if the shoe were black with a nice ankle strap, that
> would be something else...

The shoe is OK, but who is that ravishing apparition with the
razor-wire 'do' in the right background?

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William Graham - 21 Oct 2006 23:32 GMT
>> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>> physical beauty, whether we like it or
>> not.

I think the popular culture....(i.e.: the cosmetics and fashion industry)
has a lot to do with that, "hard wiring".......I don't believe we are born
with a desire for tall skinny women with black eyelids and blood red lips,
and pierced navels.......
Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 23:39 GMT
>>> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>>>  physical beauty, whether we like it or not.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> believe we are born with a desire for tall skinny women with black
> eyelids and blood red lips, and pierced navels.......

We're hardwired (with varying individual and/or cultural weighting) to
some features.  Cosmetics and body shape serve to enhance our desires.
If these things were not effective, they would not have evolved.

Cheers,
Alan.

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William Graham - 21 Oct 2006 23:56 GMT
>>>> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>>>>  physical beauty, whether we like it or not.
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> Cheers,
> Alan.

Perhaps, but "evolution" can come from other pressures besides survival of
the fittest....There are financial incentives that cause the society's taste
to evolve also.......
Alan Browne - 22 Oct 2006 15:46 GMT
>>>>>It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>>>>> physical beauty, whether we like it or not.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the fittest....There are financial incentives that cause the society's taste
> to evolve also.......

The ying and yang of life.  We're blessed with intelligence and cursed
with desires.

Cheers,
Alan

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
> >> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
> >> physical beauty, whether we like it or
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> with a desire for tall skinny women with black eyelids and blood red lips,
> and pierced navels.......

The pressure on women, and little girls for that matter, is extremely
relentless. Just watch tv or listen to the radio. There is bound to be
a commercial for weight loss. It's a billion dollar business, because
society dictates what a woman should look like. And as a result women
are suffering more and more from eating disorders. And the victims are
getting younger and younger.
Rita Ä Berkowitz - 22 Oct 2006 01:52 GMT
> The pressure on women, and little girls for that matter, is extremely
> relentless. Just watch tv or listen to the radio. There is bound to be
> a commercial for weight loss. It's a billion dollar business, because
> society dictates what a woman should look like. And as a result women
> are suffering more and more from eating disorders. And the victims are
> getting younger and younger.

Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
disorders from wearing heels.

Rita
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT
> > The pressure on women, and little girls for that matter, is extremely
> > relentless. Just watch tv or listen to the radio. There is bound to be
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Rita

Man--------that's the truth!
Helen
William Graham - 22 Oct 2006 04:07 GMT
Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> helensilverburg@hotmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
> disorders from wearing heels.

There is pressure on the boys too.......The only way I can think of to stop
it, is to get rid of the "window" that brings it into your home....The G.D.
TV!!
   IMO, everyone should be "educated" by something or someone they can talk
back to......TV sets don't qualify.......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 04:33 GMT
> Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote:
> > helensilverburg@hotmail.com wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>     IMO, everyone should be "educated" by something or someone they can talk
> back to......TV sets don't qualify.......

I hear ya Bill!  I've seen the ads on tv that guarantee men "flat abs"
and "tight butts".  In my personal opinion, I could care less about abs
or butts, or physical beauty.  I know I'm going to sound corny, but
it's the inner man that matters.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 22 Oct 2006 17:13 GMT
> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
> disorders from wearing heels.

'Tis nothing, m'dear.  At least compared with:

http://starbulletin.com/98/03/10/features/story1.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/davesplace/gImages/Ethel.jpg
http://www.fathom.com/course/21701788/21701788_neck.jpg
http://bods-piercing.skyblog.com/pics/150263152.jpg

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William Graham - 22 Oct 2006 18:48 GMT
>> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
>> disorders from wearing heels.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> http://www.fathom.com/course/21701788/21701788_neck.jpg
> http://bods-piercing.skyblog.com/pics/150263152.jpg

And don't forget the Ubangi lips.....
http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/109575.html
William Graham - 22 Oct 2006 19:08 GMT
>>> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
>>> disorders from wearing heels.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> And don't forget the Ubangi lips.....
> http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/109575.html

Or:    http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/107520.html
William Graham - 22 Oct 2006 19:15 GMT
>>>> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
>>>> disorders from wearing heels.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
> Or:    http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/107520.html
And then there are always us American photographers, endearing ourselves to
the people of the world........
http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/106499.html
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 20:29 GMT
> >>>> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
> >>>> disorders from wearing heels.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the people of the world........
> http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/106499.html

UNBELIEVABLE what people will do!! I am SO glad I do not listen to what
society dictates---especially my sister who suggested I think about
breast reduction as then I would be better proportioned (ie: a
"perfect" size). Thanks for the pics guys!!  I'm thinking of doing this
to her:  http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/109575.html.
LOL!
Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 20:36 GMT
> >>>> Yep!  It's always something.  Don't forget hammertoe and other foot
> >>>> disorders from wearing heels.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> the people of the world........
> http://www.strangepersons.com/content/item/106499.html

UNBELIEVABLE what people will do!! I am SO glad I do not listen to what

society dictates---especially my sister who suggested I think about
breast reduction as then I would be better proportioned (ie: a
"perfect" size). Thanks for the pics guys!!  I'll tell her to have her
jaw wired shut----it would do the world a great service!  LOL!
LOL!
Helen
William Graham - 22 Oct 2006 22:10 GMT
UNBELIEVABLE what people will do!! I am SO glad I do not listen to what

society dictates---especially my sister who suggested I think about
breast reduction as then I would be better proportioned (ie: a
"perfect" size). Thanks for the pics guys!!  I'll tell her to have her
jaw wired shut----it would do the world a great service!  LOL!
LOL!
Helen

Well, not all breast reduction surgery is just for looks.....My daughter had
it done several years after she was married....She was worried about having
back problems from lugging around the extra weight.....
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 22 Oct 2006 22:31 GMT
> UNBELIEVABLE what people will do!! I am SO glad I do not listen to what
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> it done several years after she was married....She was worried about having
> back problems from lugging around the extra weight.....

That's true Bill. I have heard of some women needing it done because of
severe back problems too. In my case, I have no problems at all with my
back. Trying to find bras in a special size can be a problem. Hope your
daughter is doing great.
Helen
Kinon O'cann - 23 Oct 2006 00:03 GMT
>>> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>>> physical beauty, whether we like it or
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> with a desire for tall skinny women with black eyelids and blood red lips,
> and pierced navels.......

We are born to respond to physical beauty, and this has been proven time and
time again. Last time I saw proof was on one of those Discovery shows where
babies were shown pictures of different people, and did respond very
differently. Sorry, but societal pressures do play a part, but we're
hard-wired for the most part.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 23 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
> We are born to respond to physical beauty,

The discussion is on sexual attractiveness, which
may or may not have anything to do with 'physical
beauty'.  'Physical beauty' is another word for
vanity -- admittedly we are decidedly responsive to our
own vanity.

The observation that cultures have differing
ideals of attractiveness and differing fetishes
seems to indicate the object of attraction is
learned.  I doubt there is a gene that causes
sexual engorgement at the sight of high-heeled
pumps or the "Fabulous, simply fabulous, darling,
EOS 20D".

> babies were shown pictures of different people, and did respond very
> differently.

I didn't know that babies had a libidinous
attraction to much of anything.  But that and
Freud aside: Wasn't the infant really responding to
"Does it or does it not look like Mum"?

How does a baby who's mother keeps a set
of Corelle dishes in her lips react to
the model on the cover of Cosmo?  And
vice-versa?

Meet Miss October, 23443 BC:
http://witcombe.sbc.edu/willendorf/images/willendorf-large.jpg

The theory is that Ms. Willendorf is what's hard-wired,
the rest is software.

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Frank ess - 23 Oct 2006 02:07 GMT
>> We are born to respond to physical beauty,
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> The theory is that Ms. Willendorf is what's hard-wired,
> the rest is software.

Where she hang, man? I think I know her.

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William Graham - 23 Oct 2006 04:43 GMT
>>>> It is so. For better or worse, we're all hard wired to respond to
>>>> physical beauty, whether we like it or
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> differently. Sorry, but societal pressures do play a part, but we're
> hard-wired for the most part.

Well, sure.....But the question is, "What's physically beautiful?" And this
is conditioned by the current societal norms, as dictated (today) by the TV
and Madison Avenue.......Obviously, what was physically beautiful to the
Ubangi in 1920 is a far cry from what is considered beautiful by a US 16
year old in 2006........
prep@prep.synonet.com - 23 Oct 2006 07:07 GMT
> I think the popular culture....(i.e.: the cosmetics and fashion
> industry) has a lot to do with that, "hard wiring".......I don't
> believe we are born with a desire for tall skinny women with black
> eyelids and blood red lips, and pierced navels.......

Life provided a good lession in this.

Back when, the desirable wife in central regions of Africa was
Rubinesque shall we say. Western media changed this, and in the 70s
and early 80s men looked for slimmer, well, skinny brides. Then a new
factor, called colloquialy `slims' emerged and fat was very desirable
again. The fat women probably did not have `slims', aka AIDS.

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TheDave© - 21 Oct 2006 19:37 GMT
> uw wayne wrote:
> Breeding stock? It's a competitive world, especially for affection.
> When she's in her twenties her competition to breed will be the gal to
> her right. Unfortunately charm, personality, intellect, and character
> will be secondary to overall looks. Say it ain't so guys?

You're right, but when she gets in her 30s, and people of both sexes
start to figure exactly how shallow that really is, the tables begin to
turn.  At least enough to make it more of an even playing field.
Nicholas O. Lindan - 21 Oct 2006 21:01 GMT
> When she's in her twenties her competition to breed will be the gal to
> her right.

Females don't compete to _breed_, they hang out and reject
the males that don't come up to snuff.

As we all know, it isn't hard to attract a male if he doesn't
have to hang around 'till morning.

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TheDave© - 21 Oct 2006 21:46 GMT
> Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
> As we all know, it isn't hard to attract a male if he doesn't
> have to hang around 'till morning.

If a woman has only the goal of "getting laid", she can walk into
pretty much any bar, and find somebody willing to oblige her.

A man would have a more difficult time.
Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 22:29 GMT
>>I pity the fool who gets rolled by that really big tide on the left.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> After she sees herself plastered all over the web, she will alter her
> habits and probably end up with a drop dead figure.

Overeating is often an emotional crutch, so many people who are fat have
low self esteem, so they eat more...

Suburbia is a lot to blame.  People rarely walk to the stores, work or
play.  But there's lot's of time to eat a lot of carbs... Europeans
don't have as much suburban sprawl as we do; people walk more and eat
less and esp. less carbs.

Cheap energy = cheap food.

Guess which of the above will be disappearing soon?

Both.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Mark² - 21 Oct 2006 01:47 GMT
> The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/68884552

Wow.  Now that's a girl with guts...and (ahem)...GUT.

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 21 Oct 2006 14:51 GMT
> The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/68884552

The composition is great. The colors are vibrant, but I'm mostly
impressed with the skin tones---they're very natural. I noticed you
used a high speed, 800 ISO-----not a trace of grain.
Great shot!
Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 22:21 GMT
>>The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> used a high speed, 800 ISO-----not a trace of grain.
> Great shot!

Reducing an image size is one of the most effective ways to hide grain
and noise.

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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 21 Oct 2006 22:39 GMT
> >>The 20D always works great behind the scenes.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Reducing an image size is one of the most effective ways to hide grain
> and noise.

Yes that's true. I admit I'm not knowledgable on digital photography.
This is why my questions/comments seem a bit trifle. But I do find it
very interesting.
BTW Alan: I took a pic just a couple of days before the Mandate "Grace"
was announced. Would this be allowed as an entry? Thanks Alan!
Regards,
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Alan Browne - 21 Oct 2006 23:11 GMT
> Yes that's true. I admit I'm not knowledgable on digital photography.
> This is why my questions/comments seem a bit trifle. But I do find it
> very interesting.

The are no dumb questions, just dumb answers.
Just don't ask for my score.

> BTW Alan: I took a pic just a couple of days before the Mandate "Grace"
> was announced. Would this be allowed as an entry? Thanks Alan!

By all means.  Just mark it "_old" when you title it (to follow the rulz
or don't title it "_old" to break the rulz.

Cheers,
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