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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 20:44 GMT Hi Bill: A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. Sorry if it's too boring. Anyways, I have a ton of slides taken years ago that I want put on a CD. How do I go about doing this? There are a lot of good pics on them, and maybe I could print some out when I buy myself a good quality photo printer. Any suggestions? Thanks Bill, Helen
Annika1980 - 19 Oct 2006 22:08 GMT > Hi Bill: > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. > Sorry if it's too boring. Anyways, I have a ton of slides taken years > ago that I want put on a CD. How do I go about doing this? There are > a lot of good pics on them, and maybe I could print some out when I > buy myself a good quality photo printer. Any suggestions? I'll give the usual answer for such things: "How much you wanna spend?"
The slides will need to be scanned. That requires a scanner, either a dedicated film scanner or a good flatbed with film scanning capabilities. If you just want the pics on a CD for viewing on the computer then you don't have to worry too much about having the best scanner with the highest resolution. If you want to print the pics, bigger is always better (and more expensive).
If you don't feel comfortable doing this yourself there are plenty of outside sources that will do this for you .... for a big price. And the quality is usually less than what you could do yourself.
My elderly friend has a collection of 30,000+ slides he's taken since the 1940's. When I was first approached about scanning these I thought, "I'm about to quit my day job." Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan, retouch, and make prints from.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:21 GMT > > Hi Bill: > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan, > retouch, and make prints from. Thanks so much Bret. It makes a lot of sense to do it myself. I've got a decent flatbed scanner, Canoscan LIDE 35 made by Canon. WOW!! Your friend has a lot of slides! You must do a great job for your friend to entrust you. I think I have a couple of hundred myself. Thanks Bret!! ;^) Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:28 GMT > > Hi Bill: > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan, > retouch, and make prints from. Thanks so much Bret. It makes a lot of sense to do it myself. I've got
a decent flatbed scanner, Canoscan LIDE 35, but I believe it is only used for prints, documents and such. WOW!! Your friend has a lot of slides! You must do a great job for your friend to entrust you. I think I have a couple of hundred myself. Thanks Bret!! ;^) Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:52 GMT > > Hi Bill: > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan, > retouch, and make prints from. Sorry I forgot to answer your question Bret. I'm willing to spend approximately about $500. It depends.I want a good quality one that would do an excellent job, as ultimately I will have them printed out. Thanks, Helen
William Graham - 20 Oct 2006 00:57 GMT >> > Hi Bill: >> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Thanks, > Helen One thing I forgot to tell you is that you should make sure your computer has lots of volatile memory (RAM) before you try to do this.....I had 250 megs, and it was taking me forever, so I investigated upgrading my memory, and I added another 500 megs for about $75. It was the best buy time-wise that I ever made....It made a world of difference, both in scanning/processing, and in boot-up time.
If I had 30,000 slides, I would try to find a machine with an automatic feeder, so I wouldn't have to hand feed and process each slide.....For that kind of volume, you might be better off finding a needy teenager that needs a part time job, and teach them to scan slides for you. Perhaps you could just do the triage work, and then let them do the actual scanning of what you select. Even this takes time.....I had to build a light box that I could view my slides against....The little ones that were available were too small, because I wanted to use a viewer, which blew the image up to where I could see if it had a cropable image trapped in it somewhere.....IOW, looking at a dozen or so of them at one time just wasn't cutting it. I built one that was 18" square, by about 6" deep, and put out lots of light....I installed 8, 60 watt bulbs in it. Except I used these little spiral wound fluorescents that only draw 13 watts each, but put out the equivalent of a 60 watt incandescent bulb. I set it on the table about 3 feet in front of me, and it puts out a tremendous square of light that is almost equivalent to being outside, looking at the sun directly.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 02:47 GMT > >> > Hi Bill: > >> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > me, and it puts out a tremendous square of light that is almost equivalent > to being outside, looking at the sun directly. Yes, I have a lot of memory on my computer. Can't remember exactly how much, but it's over 700 megs. Intel Pentium 4. I've got a couple hundred slides, and I know it will take me a long time to sort through them all, pick out the best and then scan them, but the time is worthwhile. Ingenious idea of yours to build a light box. I have a friend with one of those huge light boxes, so I'm going to borrow hers. Printing company went bankrupt and was selling all it's contents, so she bought it for a few bucks. Thanks for all your help Bill. :^) Helen
William Graham - 19 Oct 2006 22:14 GMT > Hi Bill: > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks Bill, > Helen I can only tell you what I did, and what my experience has been.....I purchased a film scanner. (the Konica-Minolta DSE 5400 II) It scans at 5400 dots per inch, which I have found to be excessive....that is, for most of my slides, (which stretch back over 50 years) I am perfectly happy scanning at less than half that resolution. This particular scanner is no longer made, because Konica-Minolta went out of business a few months ago. I understand that Nikon makes a comparable scanner, however. I recommend that you get a scanner, and don't pay too much for it....Perhaps under $600.....And get some version of Photoshop. the latest version is also a $600 program, but you can probably buy an upgrade, or a student version for considerable less money.....I think I bought my upgrade version for $175....I already had an older version that I got in a second hand store.... At any rate, with these two items, you will be able to scan your slides, (and negative 35 mm film strips) into your computer, clean them up and crop good images out of them, and store them on your hard disc. If you have a CD burner on your computer, you will be able to create CD's full of pictures, and store them away to save hard disc space, or mail them to your family and others too. Since I also had a lot of prints in file drawers that I had saved up over the years, I also bought a decent flatbed scanner....the one I purchased was a Canonoscan 8600F, which also cast me about $175.....(nobody ever told me photography was going to be cheap, so I guess I shouldn't complain) This too was a bit of overkill, since scanning prints at anything greater than 600 dpi is also a waste of time and space.....These items, (the scanners) come with the software to operate them, and the Photoshop program will also be able to use this software automatically....It knows that you have the scanners installed, and will work with them to import photos into your computer automatically. I have to tell you that using this equipment is very time consuming, however, so be prepared to spend a lot of time sitting where you are right now....In front of that screen, clicking away on that mouse......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT > > Hi Bill: > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > where you are right now....In front of that screen, clicking away on that > mouse...... Thanks Bill! Your info was very informative. You're right----photography can be very expensive, but all-in-all it's worth it. I mentioned in my above reply to Bret that the only flatbed scanner I have is for prints and documents and such. I'll have to ask Santa for a film/slide scanner. I do have a CD burner on my computer, so there's no problem there. I've been interested in Photoshop and I will buy the program sometime in the very near future. They give great discounts at the University---------hey I can pass for a student! I know it's time consuming, but on those rainy days it's worth it. Thanks so much Bill!! :^)
That_Rich - 19 Oct 2006 23:01 GMT >I've been interested in Photoshop and I >will buy the program sometime in the very near future. They give great >discounts at the University I don't know how big your discount is but you may want to consider PhotoShop Elements.... http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/
Or Corel PaintShop Pro...
http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CorelCom/Layout&c=Product_C1&cid =1155872554948&lc=en
Both *should* do all you need for a fraction of the cost. If you decide on PS Elements and decide to move to CS2 it is considered an upgrade... much cheaper. Realistically, you would likely never need to upgrade.
Cheers,
RP©
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 23:30 GMT > >I've been interested in Photoshop and I > >will buy the program sometime in the very near future. They give great [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > RP© Thanks for your great advice! It's an option I will definitely consider. Helen
Max Perl - 19 Oct 2006 23:19 GMT Do you have your slides mounted? If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and copy them that way. You can get nice results.....especially if you only want to watch most of the slides on a monitur. Then you can scan the very best slides using a dedicated film scanner.
The slide adapter is cheap and it is a fast way to get your slides digitized. Even if your slides is not mounted I think there are solutions for this also.
Max
> Hi Bill: > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks Bill, > Helen helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 23:34 GMT > Do you have your slides mounted? > If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks Bill, > > Helen Yes, some of my slides are mounted. I hope this isn't a problem with scanning them.I probably would want them on a CD and then print out the best ones. Thanks Max. Regards, Helen
Max Perl - 20 Oct 2006 20:52 GMT >> Do you have your slides mounted? >> If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Regards, > Helen Special holders exist for scanning mounted slides. If your slides are mounted in glass mounts then your slides will be perfectly flat. But if you use AN glass then a blue sky will look bit more "grainy" than scanning from clear glass or no glass at all.
Max
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 20:58 GMT > >> Do you have your slides mounted? > >> If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Max I did not know that-------thanks Max!
Nicholas O. Lindan - 20 Oct 2006 21:25 GMT > Special holders exist for scanning mounted slides. Many [at least many in my price category [cheap]] take cardboard mounted slides directly or directly with the adapter gizzy that comes standard in the box.
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Alan Browne - 20 Oct 2006 00:32 GMT > Hi Bill: > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks Bill, > Helen Spend time reducing that ton to a the ones that will really stand the test of time for interesting, valuable or just plain great.
Get a good scanner. 2800 dpi - 5600 dpi. Anything in that range.
Learn to use it. It takes some time and effort and can be frustrating at first and/or special cases. www.scantips.com is a wonderful tutorial and there are others...
Set a pace, say 20 slides per weekend.
Get to it.
Invest (in this case) in "gold" CD's for archive. (Consider gold DVD's as well, however the encoding scheme is not as robust as CD for longevity... fine for video as you won't notice a minor glitch, but still images on CD is another matter).
Try to slip some enjoyment into the process.
Cheers, Alan
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William Graham - 20 Oct 2006 01:04 GMT "Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in >
> Try to slip some enjoyment into the process. > > Cheers, > Alan Boy, that's good advice.....I try to send my stuff to my old friends who would be interested in it, almost as soon as I get it scanned......Anything to break up the monotony of just scanning and cleaning.......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 01:18 GMT > > Hi Bill: > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin > -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. I'm not worried about getting frustrated. I enjoy learning. Your advice on the CD is timely as I was going to ask what type I should use. Thanks for the website and the advice. Appreciate everyone's help, thanks guys!! Regards, Helen
Draco - 20 Oct 2006 19:29 GMT > > > Hi Bill: > > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > Regards, > Helen Ms Helen, If you want to scan multible slides at once, use either a flatbed scanner like the Epson or use a feeder like on the Nikon 5000. If not and are willing to do one at a time then I suggest the Coolscan V (5). At just under $600 you can set the scanner to scan area at 1" x 1.5" and at 4000dpi. This gives you a full neg scan and a file of about 58MB. With the included software you can even restore faded color with one click of the mouse. A preview scan is less than fifty seconds show you can see what you'll get. The full scan will be between one and three minutes. A lot faster than the older scanners. Up to you and your pocketbook will allow. Just a suggestion. Good luck.
Draco
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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 20:48 GMT > > > > Hi Bill: > > > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Getting even isn't good enough. Thanks Draco for some great advice! Helen
Al Denelsbeck - 20 Oct 2006 04:50 GMT helensilverburg@hotmail.com wrote in news:1161287044.034715.260640 @m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> Hi Bill: > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks Bill, > Helen I just pulled a serious bargain a couple of months ago and got a film scanner with a bulk loader for slides - can do about 60 at a time if they're mounted. Drop me a line at news[at]wading[dash]in[dot]net (or see the sig file - same thing) and we can talk about details if you like. Part of the issue is what condition the slides are in and how much post-scan work you want done.
Meanwhile, look at the specs for a Minolta Scan Multi II, which is what I'd be using. Should be more than enough for all but the largest prints.
- Al.
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