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helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 20:44 GMT
Hi Bill:
A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
Sorry if it's too boring.  Anyways, I have a ton of slides taken years
ago that I want put on a CD.  How do I go about doing this?  There are
a lot of good pics on them,  and maybe I could print some out when I
buy myself a good quality photo printer.  Any suggestions?
Thanks Bill,
Helen
Annika1980 - 19 Oct 2006 22:08 GMT
> Hi Bill:
> A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
> Sorry if it's too boring.  Anyways, I have a ton of slides taken years
> ago that I want put on a CD.  How do I go about doing this?  There are
> a lot of good pics on them,  and maybe I could print some out when I
> buy myself a good quality photo printer.  Any suggestions?

I'll give the usual answer for such things:
"How much you wanna spend?"

The slides will need to be scanned.  That requires a scanner, either a
dedicated film scanner or a good flatbed with film scanning
capabilities.  If you just want the pics on a CD for viewing on the
computer then you don't have to worry too much about having the best
scanner with the highest resolution.  If you want to print the pics,
bigger is always better (and more expensive).

If you don't feel comfortable doing this yourself there are plenty of
outside sources that will do this for you .... for a big price. And the
quality is usually less than what you could do yourself.

My elderly friend has a collection of 30,000+ slides he's taken since
the 1940's.
When I was first approached about scanning these I thought, "I'm about
to quit my day job."
Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan,
retouch, and make prints from.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:21 GMT
> > Hi Bill:
> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
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> Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan,
> retouch, and make prints from.

Thanks so much Bret. It makes a lot of sense to do it myself.  I've got
a decent flatbed scanner, Canoscan LIDE 35 made by Canon.
WOW!!  Your friend has a lot of slides!  You must do a great job for
your friend to entrust you. I think I have a couple of hundred myself.
Thanks Bret!!  ;^)
Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:28 GMT
> > Hi Bill:
> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan,
> retouch, and make prints from.

Thanks so much Bret. It makes a lot of sense to do it myself.  I've got

a decent flatbed scanner, Canoscan LIDE 35, but I believe it is only
used for prints, documents and such.
WOW!!  Your friend has a lot of slides!  You must do a great job for
your friend to entrust you. I think I have a couple of hundred myself.
Thanks Bret!!  ;^)
Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:52 GMT
> > Hi Bill:
> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Fortunately, he has been picking out his favorites for me to scan,
> retouch, and make prints from.

Sorry I forgot to answer your question Bret. I'm willing to spend
approximately about $500.
It depends.I want a good quality one that would do an excellent job, as
ultimately I will have them printed out.
Thanks,
Helen
William Graham - 20 Oct 2006 00:57 GMT
>> > Hi Bill:
>> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> Thanks,
> Helen

One thing I forgot to tell you is that you should make sure your computer
has lots of volatile memory (RAM) before you try to do this.....I had 250
megs, and it was taking me forever, so I investigated upgrading my memory,
and I added another 500 megs for about $75. It was the best buy time-wise
that I ever made....It made a world of difference, both in
scanning/processing, and in boot-up time.

If I had 30,000 slides, I would try to find a machine with an automatic
feeder, so I wouldn't have to hand feed and process each slide.....For that
kind of volume, you might be better off finding a needy teenager that needs
a part time job, and teach them to scan slides for you. Perhaps you could
just do the triage work, and then let them do the actual scanning of what
you select. Even this takes time.....I had to build a light box that I could
view my slides against....The little ones that were available were too
small, because I wanted to use a viewer, which blew the image up to where I
could see if it had a cropable image trapped in it somewhere.....IOW,
looking at a dozen or so of them at one time just wasn't cutting it. I built
one that was 18" square, by about 6" deep, and put out lots of light....I
installed 8, 60 watt bulbs in it. Except I used these little spiral wound
fluorescents that only draw 13 watts each, but put out the equivalent of a
60 watt incandescent bulb. I set it on the table about 3 feet in front of
me, and it puts out a tremendous square of light that is almost equivalent
to being outside, looking at the sun directly.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 02:47 GMT
> >> > Hi Bill:
> >> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
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> me, and it puts out a tremendous square of light that is almost equivalent
> to being outside, looking at the sun directly.

Yes, I have a lot of memory on my computer. Can't remember exactly how
much, but it's over 700 megs. Intel Pentium 4.
I've got a couple hundred slides, and I know it will take me a long
time to sort through them all, pick out the best and then scan them,
but the time is worthwhile. Ingenious idea of yours to build a light
box. I have a friend with one of those huge light boxes, so I'm going
to borrow hers. Printing company went bankrupt and was selling all it's
contents, so she bought it for a few bucks. Thanks for all your help
Bill.  :^)
Helen
William Graham - 19 Oct 2006 22:14 GMT
> Hi Bill:
> A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks Bill,
> Helen

I can only tell you what I did, and what my experience has been.....I
purchased a film scanner. (the Konica-Minolta DSE 5400 II) It scans at 5400
dots per inch, which I have found to be excessive....that is, for most of my
slides, (which stretch back over 50 years) I am perfectly happy scanning at
less than half that resolution. This particular scanner is no longer made,
because Konica-Minolta went out of business a few months ago. I understand
that Nikon makes a comparable scanner, however. I recommend that you get a
scanner, and don't pay too much for it....Perhaps under $600.....And get
some version of Photoshop. the latest version is also a $600 program, but
you can probably buy an upgrade, or a student version for considerable less
money.....I think I bought my upgrade version for $175....I already had an
older version that I got in a second hand store....
   At any rate, with these two items, you will be able to scan your slides,
(and negative 35 mm film strips) into your computer, clean them up and crop
good images out of them, and store them on your hard disc. If you have a CD
burner on your computer, you will be able to create CD's full of pictures,
and store them away to save hard disc space, or mail them to your family and
others too.
   Since I also had a lot of prints in file drawers that I had saved up
over the years, I also bought a decent flatbed scanner....the one I
purchased was a Canonoscan 8600F, which also cast me about $175.....(nobody
ever told me photography was going to be cheap, so I guess I shouldn't
complain) This too was a bit of overkill, since scanning prints at anything
greater than 600 dpi is also a waste of time and space.....These items, (the
scanners) come with the software to operate them, and the Photoshop program
will also be able to use this software automatically....It knows that you
have the scanners installed, and will work with them to import photos into
your computer automatically. I have to tell you that using this equipment is
very time consuming, however, so be prepared to spend a lot of time sitting
where you are right now....In front of that screen, clicking away on that
mouse......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT
> > Hi Bill:
> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
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> where you are right now....In front of that screen, clicking away on that
> mouse......

Thanks Bill!  Your info was very informative.  You're
right----photography can be very expensive, but all-in-all it's worth
it.  I mentioned in my above reply to Bret that the only flatbed
scanner I have is for prints and documents and such. I'll have to ask
Santa for a film/slide scanner. I do have a CD burner on my computer,
so there's no problem there.  I've been interested in Photoshop and I
will buy the program sometime in the very near future.  They give great
discounts at the University---------hey I can pass for a student!
I know it's time consuming, but on those rainy days it's worth it.
Thanks so much Bill!!  :^)
That_Rich - 19 Oct 2006 23:01 GMT
>I've been interested in Photoshop and I
>will buy the program sometime in the very near future.  They give great
>discounts at the University

I don't know how big your discount is but you may want to consider
PhotoShop Elements....
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopelwin/

Or Corel PaintShop Pro...

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CorelCom/Layout&c=Product_C1&cid
=1155872554948&lc=en


Both *should* do all you need for a fraction of the cost.
If you decide on PS Elements and decide to move to CS2 it is
considered an upgrade... much cheaper. Realistically, you would likely
never need to upgrade.

Cheers,

RP©
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 23:30 GMT
> >I've been interested in Photoshop and I
> >will buy the program sometime in the very near future.  They give great
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>
> RP©

Thanks for your great advice!  It's an option I will definitely
consider.
Helen
Max Perl - 19 Oct 2006 23:19 GMT
Do you have your slides mounted?
If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and
copy them that way. You can get nice results.....especially if you only
want to watch most of the slides on a monitur. Then you can scan the very
best slides using a dedicated film scanner.

The slide adapter is cheap and it is a fast way to get your slides
digitized.
Even if your slides is not mounted I think there are solutions for this
also.

Max

> Hi Bill:
> A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks Bill,
> Helen
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 19 Oct 2006 23:34 GMT
> Do you have your slides mounted?
> If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and
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> > Thanks Bill,
> > Helen

Yes, some of my slides are mounted. I hope this isn't a problem with
scanning them.I probably would want them on a CD and then print out the
best ones.  
Thanks Max.
Regards,
Helen
Max Perl - 20 Oct 2006 20:52 GMT
>> Do you have your slides mounted?
>> If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and
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> Regards,
> Helen

Special holders exist for scanning mounted slides. If your slides are
mounted
in glass mounts then your slides will be perfectly flat. But if you use AN
glass
then a blue sky will look bit more "grainy" than scanning from clear glass
or
no glass at all.

Max
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 20:58 GMT
> >> Do you have your slides mounted?
> >> If you do have then you could get a slide adapter for you DSLR and
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>
> Max

I did not know that-------thanks Max!
Nicholas O. Lindan - 20 Oct 2006 21:25 GMT
> Special holders exist for scanning mounted slides.

Many [at least many in my price category [cheap]] take
cardboard mounted slides directly or directly with
the adapter gizzy that comes standard in the box.

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Alan Browne - 20 Oct 2006 00:32 GMT
> Hi Bill:
> A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks Bill,
> Helen

Spend time reducing that ton to a the ones that will really stand the
test of time for interesting, valuable or just plain great.

Get a good scanner.  2800 dpi - 5600 dpi.  Anything in that range.

Learn to use it.  It takes some time and effort and can be frustrating
at first and/or special cases.  www.scantips.com is a wonderful tutorial
and there are others...

Set a pace, say 20 slides per weekend.

Get to it.

Invest (in this case) in "gold" CD's for archive.  (Consider gold DVD's
as well, however the encoding scheme is not as robust as CD for
longevity... fine for video as you won't notice a minor glitch, but
still images on CD is another matter).

Try to slip some enjoyment into the process.

Cheers,
Alan

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William Graham - 20 Oct 2006 01:04 GMT
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in >
> Try to slip some enjoyment into the process.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan

Boy, that's good advice.....I try to send my stuff to my old friends who
would be interested in it, almost as soon as I get it scanned......Anything
to break up the monotony of just scanning and cleaning.......
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 01:18 GMT
> > Hi Bill:
> > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
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I'm not worried about getting frustrated. I enjoy learning. Your advice
on the CD is timely as I was going to ask what type I should use.
Thanks for the website and the advice.
Appreciate everyone's help, thanks guys!!
Regards,
Helen
Draco - 20 Oct 2006 19:29 GMT
> > > Hi Bill:
> > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> Regards,
> Helen

Ms Helen,
   If you want to scan multible slides at once,
use either a flatbed scanner like the Epson or
use a feeder like on the Nikon 5000. If not and
are willing to do one at a time then I suggest
the Coolscan V (5). At just under $600 you can
set the scanner to scan area at 1" x 1.5" and at
4000dpi. This gives you a full neg scan and a
file of about 58MB. With the included software
you can even restore faded color with one click
of the mouse. A preview scan is less than fifty
seconds show you can see what you'll get. The
full scan will be between one and three minutes.
A lot faster than the older scanners. Up to you and
your pocketbook will allow.
Just a suggestion. Good luck.

Draco

Getting even isn't good enough.
helensilverburg@hotmail.com - 20 Oct 2006 20:48 GMT
> > > > Hi Bill:
> > > > A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>
> Getting even isn't good enough.

Thanks Draco for some great advice!
Helen
Al Denelsbeck - 20 Oct 2006 04:50 GMT
helensilverburg@hotmail.com wrote in news:1161287044.034715.260640
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

> Hi Bill:
> A simple question to ask you and/or any of the other pros on this NG.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Thanks Bill,
> Helen

       I just pulled a serious bargain a couple of months ago and got a film
scanner with a bulk loader for slides - can do about 60 at a time if
they're mounted. Drop me a line at news[at]wading[dash]in[dot]net (or see
the sig file - same thing) and we can talk about details if you like. Part
of the issue is what condition the slides are in and how much post-scan
work you want done.

       Meanwhile, look at the specs for a Minolta Scan Multi II, which is
what I'd be using. Should be more than enough for all but the largest
prints.

    - Al.

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