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jeremy - 28 Jul 2006 02:50 GMT

I had never heard of this before. What do you think?

"HOT TIP OF THE DAY: The numbers and brand name you see on the edge of
developed film were put there by the film maker. If those letters and
numbers are not solid black ... the film was not developed properly. If the
characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And, if
they are VERY black, the film was over-developed."

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Bob Hickey - 28 Jul 2006 04:31 GMT

> I had never heard of this before. What do you think?
>
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> Nah; I don't believe that. Some just have #s,

some bar codes, some names, and every shade of grey. Some are thin, some
thick, some heavy base fog, some clear, and there are a lot of developers
for every film. Bob Hickey

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Advocate - 28 Jul 2006 04:58 GMT

>> characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And,
>> if
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> thick, some heavy base fog, some clear, and there are a lot of developers
> for every film. Bob Hickey

I'm not sure I can distinguish between black and very black...Unless my
understanding of the term black is incorrect, are there stages of "black"?

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Dave E - 28 Jul 2006 13:43 GMT

>>> characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And,
>>> if
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> I'm not sure I can distinguish between black and very black...Unless my
> understanding of the term black is incorrect, are there stages of "black"?

Mate, I'm about to buy an Epson 7800 - there you have:

- Photo Black
- Matt Black
- Light Black
- Light Light Black

So clearly Epson seems to think so.

:-)

(If you buy the Imageprint RIP with it, you also have Phatte Black).

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Advocate - 28 Jul 2006 15:23 GMT

> (If you buy the Imageprint RIP with it, you also have Phatte Black).

I've found myself attracted to Phatt Black that I've seen on the BET and MTV
networks

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wgreb - 31 Jul 2006 22:28 GMT

Dave,

Donnot forget that after changing to Phatte you will not be able to
print with the Epson driver with normal results. You must use PTAPP.
PTAPP does not support all printer features like the epson driver does.
For Instance: no borderless prints, no user defined papers, no document
controlled settings (Big problem to print with Indesign),
Margins problems with InDesign, Adobe Acrobat, Photoshop and Lightroom.
I do have big big problems with it.

Stuck to just ImagePrint for this it is great for images.

wgreb

Dave E schreef:

> >>> characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And,
> >>> if
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>
> (If you buy the Imageprint RIP with it, you also have Phatte Black).

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wgreb - 31 Jul 2006 22:28 GMT

> >>> characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And,
> >>> if
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>
> (If you buy the Imageprint RIP with it, you also have Phatte Black).

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ColinD - 28 Jul 2006 09:30 GMT

> I had never heard of this before. What do you think?
>
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> characters are lighter - grayish - the film was under-developed. And, if
> they are VERY black, the film was over-developed."

That's right, a very old way of estimating the degree of development,
well-known to photogs who processed their own films. Similar edge
markings are on 120 films as well, and on flat films - 5x4 etc.

Colin D.

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