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hoarcroft@verizon.net - 14 Jul 2006 03:21 GMT
Some may recall a reference in this group to the incredibly beautiful
insect photos that appeared on the pishmo.com site in Bulgaria. I have
been most fortunate that the photographer who took  the original images
sent me all the information I had hoped to uncover, somewhere, somehow.
Not only that, he turns out to have a fine sense of humor, a
sophisticated worldview, and an engaging writing style. I am happy to
share his email to me:

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Hi Hoarcroft,

I have just stumbled upon the thread "macro insects" on google groups.
By pure chance, funny thing really. The thread is probably long time
cold dead, but anyway...I happen to be the author of the discussed pics,
posted on the Bulgarian (apparently) pishmo site.

I would like to shed some light on thetechnique/equipment I was using.
You can just copy/paste my reply on the forum. Or keep it to yourself.
Could you please do me one favor however: post the link to the original
site:

http://www.photo.net/photos/siwanowicz .

The original pics are not as brutally compressed as the ones on the
Bulgarian site. Also, there is plenty more where they came from.

SO, here is some equipment info: Lens: Canon EF 100 mm/2,8 Macro USM. It
gives 1:1 magnification. I use F/ usually @14-18.

Camera body: Canon EOS 10D, I moved to 20D as soon as it appeared on the
market.

Lighting technique: I am using Canon 550EX mounted on the Manfrotto
macro bracket, on a dedicated extension cord. It's set as a "master."
420EX is set as a wireless "slave," on a light tripod. I experiment with
the positioning of the light sources and flash heads. The most important
thing is softening/diffusing the light. I use home-made diffusers
(alu-foil, cardboard, thin paper), shaped something like Lumiquest
Bigbounce.

Lazy a.s that I am, I shoot mostly indoors. But I try to make the bugs
behave as naturally as possible. This is what they usually do anyway.
Some cooperate, some don't;
patience is the key.

One more thing: any occult signs/symbols/sigils you may encounter in my
works, it's all for fun. I like seeing peoples' reactions to all this
crap. You can see that they go like: is this guy serious? Wtf is wrong
with this sicko? Hope this would clear things a bit! Spread the word.

Cheers,

Igor

===============================================================================

Visit that site referenced above. Spectacular work!

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les clark / edgewater, nj / usa
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Annika1980 - 14 Jul 2006 16:00 GMT
Thanks for the additional info.  I'm still trying to figure out how he
gets all these bugs indoors.
Must have a greenhouse or something.  I've been considering getting an
extra Speedlight or a ST-E2 wireless transmitter for my 550EX.  This
just sold it for me.  I'll be ordering a 430EX or a 580EX later today.
Business is about to pick up!
kombi45@yahoo.com - 15 Jul 2006 01:47 GMT
> Thanks for the additional info.  I'm still trying to figure out how he
> gets all these bugs indoors.

Leave some cheese out in the kitchen for a couple of days.  That oughta
do it.
Paul Furman - 14 Jul 2006 18:23 GMT
Thanks!

> Some may recall a reference in this group to the incredibly beautiful
> insect photos that appeared on the pishmo.com site in Bulgaria. I have
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> les clark / edgewater, nj / usa
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Alan Browne - 14 Jul 2006 21:57 GMT
Thanks Les.

Cheers,
Alan

To all:  click that link.  Marvelous.

> Some may recall a reference in this group to the incredibly beautiful
> insect photos that appeared on the pishmo.com site in Bulgaria. I have
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> les clark / edgewater, nj / usa
> -----------------------------------------------------------

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Annika1980 - 14 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT
> Thanks Les.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
> To all:  click that link.  Marvelous.

http://www.photo.net/photos/siwanowicz

Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
Tim - 15 Jul 2006 05:03 GMT
> > Thanks Les.
> >
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>
> Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).

Actually, it's incredible what a good photographer can do. The Canon
gear is irrelevant. The same photos could have been taken with Nikon or
Pentax.

And yes, they are amazing photos.
Annika1980 - 16 Jul 2006 05:05 GMT
> > Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
>
> Actually, it's incredible what a good photographer can do. The Canon
> gear is irrelevant. The same photos could have been taken with Nikon or
> Pentax.

Perhaps you can share some links to similarly outstanding macro shots
taken with Nikon or Pentax?  I'd love to see em, cause every time I
stumble across a great macro gallery it's taken with Canon gear. I
wonder why that is?
Tim - 16 Jul 2006 14:27 GMT
> > > Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> stumble across a great macro gallery it's taken with Canon gear. I
> wonder why that is?

Let's make it even better and go for a book - Closeups in Nature by John
Shaw which is considered one of the best instructional books about macro
photography. Or take a look at any issue of Nature Photographer and see
that there are plenty of Nikon-produced macro images.

Web galleries - I haven't went searching for macro galleries based on
camera type but I'm sure that someone can chime in. Galleries represent
a small amount of available photos. Most pros wouldn't post much of
their work online because the images will be taken by others.

There have been millions of Nikon macro photos. It's only in the last
several years that Canon has become so popular and that's because its
digital bodies easily have better specs than Nikon. Nikon was ruling the
roost for 40 years before that and it was the choice of professional
nature photographers and everyone that wanted the best glass. It's funny
reading posts now compared to eight years ago -- back then rabid Nikon
users were convinced that only their equipment could attain the shot and
now rabid Canon users talk the same game. The reality is that the major
brands have quality macro equipment that is required to take quality
macro images with 35mm - lenses, bellows, extension tubes, and rails. Do
you really think that Canon is the only company producing a 400mm
telephoto and extension tubes?

It sounds like Bret doesn't think you Nikon, Pentax, Minolta/Sony, and
Olympus users can shoot quality macros. Anyone care to share links to
your images?
Annika1980 - 16 Jul 2006 15:30 GMT
> It sounds like Bret doesn't think you Nikon, Pentax, Minolta/Sony, and
> Olympus users can shoot quality macros. Anyone care to share links to
> your images?

I hear crickets.

For the record, I didn't say they couldn't shoot them.  I said I
haven't seen them.
Tim - 16 Jul 2006 15:52 GMT
> > It sounds like Bret doesn't think you Nikon, Pentax, Minolta/Sony, and
> > Olympus users can shoot quality macros. Anyone care to share links to
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> For the record, I didn't say they couldn't shoot them.  I said I
> haven't seen them.

And you were implying that they didn't exist. They do.
Floyd L. Davidson - 16 Jul 2006 16:02 GMT
>> > It sounds like Bret doesn't think you Nikon, Pentax, Minolta/Sony, and
>> > Olympus users can shoot quality macros. Anyone care to share links to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>And you were implying that they didn't exist. They do.

There is also the possibility that he is claiming to be blind.

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John McWilliams - 16 Jul 2006 19:48 GMT
>> And you were implying that they didn't exist. They do.
>
> There is also the possibility that he is claiming to be blind.

And, Tim, lad, you are trolling the wrong part of the lake.

Good luck, and all that.

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Even if you learned to speak English perfectly, whom would you speak it to?

Floyd L. Davidson - 16 Jul 2006 23:14 GMT
>>> And you were implying that they didn't exist. They do.
>>
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>
>Good luck, and all that.

Good grief.  I thought that was a joke, but I think you are
saying Tim is wrong and what I said is true, he *is* blind.

Interesting condition for a photographer.

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no_name - 17 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
>>>And you were implying that they didn't exist. They do.
>>
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>
> Good luck, and all that.

fishin' in the shallow end of the gene pool as it were.
Bandicoot - 28 Jul 2006 03:06 GMT
[SNIP]
> Even if you learned to speak English perfectly, whom would you
> speak it to?

To whom would you speak it?

;-)

Peter (Someone had to bite!)
John McWilliams - 28 Jul 2006 03:24 GMT
> [SNIP]
>> Even if you learned to speak English perfectly, whom would you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Peter (Someone had to bite!)

Thanks. A number of times someone or other got indignant, didn't see the
irony, etc., etc.....

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Gordon Moat - 16 Jul 2006 20:16 GMT
>>>Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> stumble across a great macro gallery it's taken with Canon gear. I
> wonder why that is?

<http://www.naturfotograf.com/Fp_gall.html> or the home page starting at
<http://www.naturfotograf.com>

Quite a few macro, micro, nature images, et al. Mostly using Nikon gear.
You might actually like this, since he is known as somewhat of a gear
afficionado.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>
Annika1980 - 16 Jul 2006 21:15 GMT
> <http://www.naturfotograf.com/Fp_gall.html> or the home page starting at
> <http://www.naturfotograf.com>
>
> Quite a few macro, micro, nature images, et al. Mostly using Nikon gear.
> You might actually like this, since he is known as somewhat of a gear
> afficionado.

Sorry, that stuff isn't for me, no matter what kind of gear he used.
It looks like Ken Rockwell threw up on Peter Max.
I blame Photoshop for that mess, not Nikon.
Scott W - 16 Jul 2006 22:10 GMT
> >>>Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> You might actually like this, since he is known as somewhat of a gear
> afficionado.

Oh come Gordon I am sure a Nikon can do much better then that.
I don't think many if any of those shots are even a Macro shot, more
like close ups
with way too much Photoshop.

Scott
Gordon Moat - 18 Jul 2006 01:23 GMT
>>>>>Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Scott

Both you guys should e-mail Bjørn then. He does lots of UV light
imaging, which is a better explanation of colours in his images. He also
has converted microscope lenses, and made other strange adapters for
various lenses, like the Rodenstock f0.75 lens that can only be used for
macro imaging.

Since both you guys think the camera brand is what makes the image,
there is not much point in further discussion. I am not into macro or
micro imaging either. Funny thing is that I while I don't care for most
of the images Bjørn has on his website, and I don't necessarily agree
with his opinions, it is my opinion that he has shown better macro and
micro images on his website than I have ever seen from either of you
with your Canon gear.

So there you go guys . . . you got your Nikon .vs. Canon thread that you
wanted . . . have fun with that.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>
Scott W - 18 Jul 2006 03:58 GMT
> >>>>>Yes, it is incredible (what Canon gear can do).
> >>>>
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> So there you go guys . . . you got your Nikon .vs. Canon thread that you
> wanted . . . have fun with that.

Gordon sometimes you are just full of BS, like now.  The images are not
that good, but
I said that I was sure a Nikon could do much better.  I have never
bashed Nikons (other then the D70 and D50 with are not all that good).

I just don't see much there in the images, unless you like rather wild
colors

As for myself, I don't own a true Macro lens so it is unlikely that I
have ever produce a really good macro shot. I don't even own a lens
that can image a 1:1  I have done a few close up images but this is not
my main area.

But I will say that Bret's Macro images are far better then the ones in
the link you provided.

Scott
Annika1980 - 18 Jul 2006 14:56 GMT
> Funny thing is that I while I don't care for most
> of the images Bjørn has on his website, and I don't necessarily agree
> with his opinions, it is my opinion that he has shown better macro and
> micro images on his website than I have ever seen from either of you
> with your Canon gear.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Different strokes, I guess.

Scott makes a valid point.  I'm sure there is much better macro work
done with Nikon gear than the link you posted.  Man, that stuff was
awful!  My opinion, of course.
Floyd L. Davidson - 18 Jul 2006 18:37 GMT
>> Funny thing is that I while I don't care for most
>> of the images Bjørn has on his website, and I don't necessarily agree
>> with his opinions, it is my opinion that he has shown better macro and
>> micro images on his website than I have ever seen from either of you
>> with your Canon gear.

...
>Man, that stuff was awful!  My opinion, of course.

Your opinion, noted... but given the way you state it, the mark
is a negative one in your column, and doesn't reflect on the
work you directed it at.  (The first tipoff being any claim that
one brand or another of hardware is part of the formula you use
to evaluate someone else's work.)

Learn to appreciate the fact that most great photography is not
done in your particular style, and whether you like something or
would want to take that type of photograph has *nothing* to do
with whether is is good photography or not.

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Annika1980 - 18 Jul 2006 20:33 GMT
> Learn to appreciate the fact that most great photography is not
> done in your particular style, and whether you like something or
> would want to take that type of photograph has *nothing* to do
> with whether is is good photography or not.

So what is "great photography?"
Bandicoot - 28 Jul 2006 03:20 GMT
[SNIP]

> <http://www.naturfotograf.com/Fp_gall.html> or the home page
> starting at
> <http://www.naturfotograf.com>
>
> Quite a few macro, micro, nature images, et al. Mostly using Nikon > gear.
You might actually like this, since he is known as somewhat
> of a gear afficionado.

Strange stuff, some a bit too manipulated for me, though the UV and IR stuff
is certainly interesting.  I like his sense of composition though.

http://www.naturfotograf.com/Fp_Ferns.html

is a splendid picture.

Peter
Gordon Moat - 30 Jul 2006 00:24 GMT
> [SNIP]
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Peter

Yeah, some of the compositions are interesting. Probably something lost
on many viewers.

Surprised he is not championed more by some. When the D1 came out, he
proclaimed it better than film.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
A G Studio
<http://www.allgstudio.com>
no_name - 15 Jul 2006 13:54 GMT
> Some may recall a reference in this group to the incredibly beautiful
> insect photos that appeared on the pishmo.com site in Bulgaria. I have
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Hi Hoarcroft,

> http://www.photo.net/photos/siwanowicz .

> One more thing: any occult signs/symbols/sigils you may encounter in my
> works, it's all for fun.

What occult signs/symbols/sigils?  It's all just closeups of bugs.
 
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